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Reply #30 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 5:59pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

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Ok here WE are. Let’s see how WE as jurors would judge Ben Roberts Smith given what WE know.

99% of those here would not have bothered reading the evidence as I have.

Ergo...pointless Poll and all you'll get is irrelevant emotive votes.

Ok I started the poll (in part) to see if you/others would consider the option re Ben Roberts Smith’s legal team using mental health legislation to get out of this mess.

You will note that I maintained an absolute neutral stance in the poll.

Not a chance in Hell. Firstly, that would mean he would have to ADMIT he did the deeds (and this perjured himself in the civil Trial), and secondly.....no shrink worth their salt is going to give evidence of insanity (or whatever) while at the same time BRS denies having done anything 'insane.'

Aussie ....medical experts might well use his continued denial as the very evidence required to prove mental illness ie inability to see wtf he did no matter what evidence is produced to the contrary. Let me explain what I mean: Let’s say some evidence is produced which consists of an iPhone capturing Roberts Smith in the act of committing a crime. In the face of such evidence a normal Robert Smith would conclude that the game was up and he had been caught and would need to plead guilty. The mentally ill Robert Smith would still protest his innocence and try and justify his position by insisting the evidence was fabricated and produced by those wishing to destroy him because they hold a bitter hatred and jealousy against his amazing army record. Delusional thought processing, persecution complex that sort of thing.

This is what I keep seeing in Roberts Smith. 👇

He has no insight into who he is and what he’s done and his persistent denial is his dissociated driven coping mechanism. I honestly think that he should never have been sent into all the combat conditions he was seconded to. That triggered his mental health issues. And if you only look at his personal relationships you will see more disturbing evidence there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder

I personally think it will go the way of mental health and the ADF might well end up paying him compensation. He’s heading towards bankruptcy now anyway.

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #31 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:08pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Poll added.

Ok here WE are. Let’s see how WE as jurors would judge Ben Roberts Smith given what WE know.

99% of those here would not have bothered reading the evidence as I have.

Ergo...pointless Poll and all you'll get is irrelevant emotive votes.

Ok I started the poll (in part) to see if you/others would consider the option re Ben Roberts Smith’s legal team using mental health legislation to get out of this mess.

You will note that I maintained an absolute neutral stance in the poll.

"Mentally conditioned to fight + stress", would be a more appropriate defense

Every soldier is conditioned to fight, which is the opposite to "passivity", as we civilians are conditioned to

Stress can lead to mistakes

Two more things: lack of proper assessment by higher brass (BRS did six tours, how did he get to do all those?), and inadequate training about legal issues (he was only a corporal)

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #32 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm

Bias I think you’re right. In fact the more I think about it the more I’m convinced that this isn’t going to be a great victory for the ADF at all. For starters THEY promoted him into these amazing yet extremely dangerous positions. And at a young age too. How many tours of duty did he complete? And at what level? They ie the ADF may well THINK they have their fall guy trapped in their net but I’m not so sure about that.

Robert Smith is a survivor. He has been trained to survive anything.

I see the ADF heading towards a pyrrhic victory where they will end up paying for everything in terms of legal costs including compensation for Roberts Smith.

Roberts Smith will walk away leaving the lawyers and the ADF to sort out the legal mess and we will probably be told he’s happily retired on some tropical quiet island so he can write his memoirs.

Occasionally we’ll hear of shady people strangely disappearing around the globe and I have no doubt Roberts Smith will be somehow involved in stuff like that. Hired assassins with his survival skills can make a killing (pun fully intended). Of course we’ll never know but at some stage it would not surprise me if his CV is quietly passed on to some government entity (I’m thinking CIA etc) for a little job here and there in the “waste management” industry.

I just hope the guy gets professional help. He definitely needs it.

PS May God help those poor sods who are unlucky enough to live in his neighbourhood. Hmmm I must remember to include them in my nightly prayers.

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #33 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 7:04pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

Bias I think you’re right. In fact the more I think about it the more I’m convinced that this isn’t going to be a great victory for the ADF at all. For starters THEY promoted him into these amazing yet extremely dangerous positions. And at a young age too. How many tours of duty did he complete? And at what level? They ie the ADF may well THINK they have their fall guy trapped in their net but I’m not so sure about that.

Robert Smith is a survivor. He has been trained to survive anything.

I see the ADF heading towards a pyrrhic victory where they will end up paying for everything in terms of legal costs including compensation for Roberts Smith.

Roberts Smith will walk away leaving the lawyers and the ADF to sort out the legal mess and we will probably be told he’s happily retired on some tropical quiet island so he can write his memoirs.

Occasionally we’ll hear of shady people strangely disappearing around the globe and I have no doubt Roberts Smith will be somehow involved in stuff like that. Hired assassins with his survival skills can make a killing (pun fully intended). Of course we’ll never know but at some stage it would not surprise me if his CV is quietly passed on to some government entity (I’m thinking CIA etc) for a little job here and there in the “waste management” industry.

I just hope the guy gets professional help. He definitely needs it.

PS May God help those poor sods who are unlucky enough to live in his neighbourhood. Hmmm I must remember to include them in my nightly prayers.

Rubbish. Just tosh. A manufactured contrived bullshit scenario.

The bloke is just a turd. Simple a that.

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #34 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 7:12pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

Bias I think you’re right. In fact the more I think about it the more I’m convinced that this isn’t going to be a great victory for the ADF at all. For starters THEY promoted him into these amazing yet extremely dangerous positions. And at a young age too. How many tours of duty did he complete? And at what level? They ie the ADF may well THINK they have their fall guy trapped in their net but I’m not so sure about that.

Robert Smith is a survivor. He has been trained to survive anything.

I see the ADF heading towards a pyrrhic victory where they will end up paying for everything in terms of legal costs including compensation for Roberts Smith.

Roberts Smith will walk away leaving the lawyers and the ADF to sort out the legal mess and we will probably be told he’s happily retired on some tropical quiet island so he can write his memoirs.

Occasionally we’ll hear of shady people strangely disappearing around the globe and I have no doubt Roberts Smith will be somehow involved in stuff like that. Hired assassins with his survival skills can make a killing (pun fully intended). Of course we’ll never know but at some stage it would not surprise me if his CV is quietly passed on to some government entity (I’m thinking CIA etc) for a little job here and there in the “waste management” industry.

I just hope the guy gets professional help. He definitely needs it.

PS May God help those poor sods who are unlucky enough to live in his neighbourhood. Hmmm I must remember to include them in my nightly prayers.

Hi Lisa,
he went rogue - fighting the war his own way -
a bit like Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now -
you should watch that movie.

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Reply #35 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 11:27am

Colonel Kurtz went mad and joined the people who lived near the Vietnam-Cambodian border. He killed 4 of his South Vietnamese intelligence officers, suspected of being double agents. And when a Green Beret failed to bring back Kurtz, Capt Willard was sent in to kill Kurtz.

BRS was not going off plan with his missions. He just (allegedly) violated the rules of engagement. As far as I am concerned, he was put in a very trying environment and succumbed to the stresses that led him to making his decisions. BRS seems to be still well in control of his faculties.

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #36 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 12:53pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

Bias I think you’re right. In fact the more I think about it the more I’m convinced that this isn’t going to be a great victory for the ADF at all. For starters THEY promoted him into these amazing yet extremely dangerous positions. And at a young age too. How many tours of duty did he complete? And at what level? They ie the ADF may well THINK they have their fall guy trapped in their net but I’m not so sure about that.

Robert Smith is a survivor. He has been trained to survive anything.

I see the ADF heading towards a pyrrhic victory where they will end up paying for everything in terms of legal costs including compensation for Roberts Smith.

Roberts Smith will walk away leaving the lawyers and the ADF to sort out the legal mess and we will probably be told he’s happily retired on some tropical quiet island so he can write his memoirs.

Occasionally we’ll hear of shady people strangely disappearing around the globe and I have no doubt Roberts Smith will be somehow involved in stuff like that. Hired assassins with his survival skills can make a killing (pun fully intended). Of course we’ll never know but at some stage it would not surprise me if his CV is quietly passed on to some government entity (I’m thinking CIA etc) for a little job here and there in the “waste management” industry.

I just hope the guy gets professional help. He definitely needs it.

PS May God help those poor sods who are unlucky enough to live in his neighbourhood. Hmmm I must remember to include them in my nightly prayers.

Rubbish. Just tosh. A manufactured contrived bullshit scenario.

The bloke is just a turd. Simple a that.

That makes two of you

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #39 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:27pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:15pm:

This bloke will not be put on trial. The media has seen to it that his presumption of innocence has been irreparably compromised and it will be impossible for him to receive a fair trial.

Send him to Hague war crime court.

or

Hand him over to the Afghan government for prosecution.

BR-S is an embarrassment to the whole of Australia.

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Reply #40 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 2:01pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

BRS was not going off plan with his missions. He just (allegedly) violated the rules of engagement. As far as I am concerned, he was put in a very trying environment and succumbed to the stresses that led him to making his decisions. BRS seems to be still well in control of his faculties.

If their were any rules of engagement ... probably vague at best if they received any at all. BRS is not the only one suspected of criminal action

Back home, criminal action was the rules of engagement for David McBride, he reckoned it was OK to steal classified documents from the Defense Department, about investigations into possible misconduct by troops in Afghanistan. It's old news, but there's a public outcry rejecting the idea that this thief should be prosecuted .... So it's OK to steal now is it? He breached the Defense Act, a pretty serious matter in itself, let alone handing them over to the ABC to make them public

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #41 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 2:08pm Aussie wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:11pm: Nope....I have never been found to have murdered anyone, let alone a captive controlled prisoner in cold blood. "Turd", I meant .. not murderer
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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90411 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #42 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 2:36pm Well .... there are core rules of engagement and then there are non-core rules of engagement.................................
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39831 Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #43 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 2:40pm Belgarion wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:15pm: This bloke will not be put on trial. The media has seen to it that his presumption of innocence has been irreparably compromised and it will be impossible for him to receive a fair trial. No Court Martial, eh?
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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #44 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 2:45pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 10^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Nope....I have never been found to have murdered anyone, let alone a captive controlled prisoner in cold blood.

"Turd", I meant .. not murderer

Nope, I'm not a turd either. I just call out cold blooded killers for what they are...craven cowardly murderers, as BRS has been found to be.

Ever so sorry if I hurt your feelings in doing so.

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Question: In a criminal court would Ben Roberts Smith be found guilty?
Yes 5 (35.7%) No 6 (42.9%) I can’t decide 2 (14.3%) Ben will probably use mental health legislation 1 (7.1%) Total votes: 14 « Created by: Lisa Jones on: Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm »