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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #15 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:08pm:

The ABC innuendo mill just keeps on churning out it's crap. If and when Roberts-Smith is convicted of any crime there will be cause to condemn him. Until then it is all mere speculation. Roll Eyes

You ignorant, crustaceous, extremist cretin.

There is evidence. There are witnesses.

The upper echelon of the ADF is guilty of a coverup and criminal negligence for not prosecuting BR-S.

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Re: Ben Roberts-Smith: The Full Story
Reply #16 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 9:43am:

In just this 1 link 👇

What an amazing insight into what the Federal Court was given as evidence. Grab a cuppa and have a go at reading this unfortunate and brutally confronting document. 😩😔🥺

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/54187/NSD1486of2018-1808...

I wouldn’t mind hearing from you all...esp those who have had ADF experience.

Cheers.

That's not evidence. It is the Statement of Claim....a pleading......the initiating document filed by BRS to start his defamation action back when.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21107 Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #17 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:48pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:13pm: There is evidence. There are witnesses. It hasn't been tested in a criminal court of law. There are different standards of proof in civil and criminal matters.
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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #18 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:01pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:08pm:

The ABC innuendo mill just keeps on churning out it's crap. If and when Roberts-Smith is convicted of any crime there will be cause to condemn him. Until then it is all mere speculation. Roll Eyes

You ignorant, crustaceous, extremist cretin.

There is evidence. There are witnesses.

The upper echelon of the ADF is guilty of a coverup and criminal negligence for not prosecuting BR-S.

If you were not such a stupid little sock I would explain it to you in very simple language. As it is I can't be bothered. Roll Eyes

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #19 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:03pm

lee wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:48pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

There is evidence. There are witnesses.

It hasn't been tested in a criminal court of law. There are different standards of proof in civil and criminal matters. Roll Eyes

Yes....but the evidence and witnesses (eye witnesses) remain the same.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21107 Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #20 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:23pm Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:03pm: Yes....but the evidence and witnesses (eye witnesses) remain the same. And nowhere did I say different.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39829 Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #21 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:35pm lee wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:23pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:03pm: Yes....but the evidence and witnesses (eye witnesses) remain the same. And nowhere did I say different. And do you doubt that same evidence will not meet the criminal standard of proof?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21107 Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #22 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:48pm Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:35pm: And do you doubt that same evidence will not meet the criminal standard of proof? Until a case is heard, who can tell?
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Re: Ben Roberts-Smith: The Full Story
Reply #23 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 9:43am:

In just this 1 link 👇

What an amazing insight into what the Federal Court was given as evidence. Grab a cuppa and have a go at reading this unfortunate and brutally confronting document. 😩😔🥺

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/54187/NSD1486of2018-1808...

I wouldn’t mind hearing from you all...esp those who have had ADF experience.

Cheers.

That's not evidence. It is the Statement of Claim....a pleading......the initiating document filed by BRS to start his defamation action back when.

Apologies and you’re quite right. I should have stated :

What an amazing insight into what the Federal Court was provided with by way of filed documents.

Incidentally these documents are referred to as pleadings and pleadings specifically exclude evidence but set out the version of events by each party and essentially frame the issues of the case.

You may now mark my work again Aussie lol...I don’t mind being corrected/challenged.

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #24 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:54pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:35pm:

lee wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:03pm:

Yes....but the evidence and witnesses (eye witnesses) remain the same.

And nowhere did I say different. Roll Eyes

And do you doubt that same evidence will not meet the criminal standard of proof?

Aussie ... I know you asked this of someone else but in all honesty it’s pretty difficult to answer such a question. These days it’s tantamount to guessing who’s going to win tonight’s rugby league game. You may think you know the name of the team based on things like which team sits higher up on the NRL ladder and then you would look at which players are injured AND STILL GET YOUR FOOTY TIP WRONG 😩

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #25 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:24pm

lee wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:35pm:

And do you doubt that same evidence will not meet the criminal standard of proof?

Until a case is heard, who can tell? Roll Eyes

People like you and me who have read and seen the evidence.

No doubt in my mind....way beyond reasonable doubt.

The evidence is not going to change.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #26 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm Poll added. Ok here WE are. Let’s see how WE as jurors would judge Ben Roberts Smith given what WE know.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39829 Gender:	Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC Reply #27 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:39pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm: Poll added. Ok here WE are. Let’s see how WE as jurors would judge Ben Roberts Smith given what WE know. 99% of those here would not have bothered reading the evidence as I have. Ergo...pointless Poll and all you'll get is irrelevant emotive votes.
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Reply #28 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:53pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Poll added.

Ok here WE are. Let’s see how WE as jurors would judge Ben Roberts Smith given what WE know.

99% of those here would not have bothered reading the evidence as I have.

Ergo...pointless Poll and all you'll get is irrelevant emotive votes.

Ok I started the poll (in part) to see if you/others would consider the option re Ben Roberts Smith’s legal team using mental health legislation to get out of this mess.

You will note that I maintained an absolute neutral stance in the poll.

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Re: Good ol' Ben Roberts-Smith VC
Reply #29 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 5:28pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Poll added.

Ok here WE are. Let’s see how WE as jurors would judge Ben Roberts Smith given what WE know.

99% of those here would not have bothered reading the evidence as I have.

Ergo...pointless Poll and all you'll get is irrelevant emotive votes.

Ok I started the poll (in part) to see if you/others would consider the option re Ben Roberts Smith’s legal team using mental health legislation to get out of this mess.

You will note that I maintained an absolute neutral stance in the poll.

Not a chance in Hell. Firstly, that would mean he would have to ADMIT he did the deeds (and thus perjured himself in the civil Trial), and secondly.....no shrink worth their salt is going to give evidence of insanity (or whatever) while at the same time BRS denies having done anything 'insane.'

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Question: In a criminal court would Ben Roberts Smith be found guilty?
Yes 5 (35.7%) No 6 (42.9%) I can’t decide 2 (14.3%) Ben will probably use mental health legislation 1 (7.1%) Total votes: 14 « Created by: Lisa Jones on: Jun 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm »