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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #90 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
I would suggest that a more understanding person would try and discover why he acted the way he did, rather than merely condemn him automatically.  I've know quite a few Indian people over the years and all have been good people at heart.  I've met Indians, in India and been impressed with the way they conducted themselves.  I've also met a few arrogant ones who were little runs but I don't judge people on the actions of a tiny minority.  High Caste Hindus have real problems associating with foreigners and tend to shy away from us.  Doesn't excuse their rudeness but it makes it understandable.  Thankfully they don't travel very much outside India.


Indians have been on record, speaking in English, talking about threatening Australia with a nuclear attack. All because there were news reports about Indians in Australia attacking other Indians, and then blaming Australia. Indians have a severe racism against foreigners and other races issue, and it has not been covered up in the media.

And if you have worked with or around Indian people, they show little regard for you, if you are not Indian. Women who have dated Indian men have not given Indian men good reviews. Indian men are very controlling of their women. You could imagine how unsettling it would have been for my 15-year-old daughter to have heard South Asian men being within earshot of her Mmm-hmm in varying tones whilst they leered at her. Indian men consider blonde women (and girls) as prostitutes.

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Your ancestors were your ancestors, Unsub.  As L.P. Hartley said, "The past is another country: they do things differently there,”  Most white people have a rather a mature attitude towards their ancestors.  Indigenous people regard their ancestors as more intimate people and believe what happened to them affects themself much more intimately.


That is clear double standards, right there, Brian. Either their ancestors were part of the problem or part of the solution. It is hard to be both. My white ancestors worked hard to get what they earned. I can only try to live up to their standards of work ethic. Indigenous people don't talk about their ancestors. It is forbidden in some cultures to mention their names or what they look like.

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Their ancestors are all they have left of their culture, Unsub.  Do not force them to relinquish them as well as their society.


Oh, rubbish. You are subjected to the rules of law and the society you inhabit. Whether you want to ditch the language and culture is not something that gets forced, no matter how many times it has been tried. Even dead languages are making a come back in places. I happen to be trying to learn new languages and cultures. Indigenous Australians are their own worst enemies when it comes to losing the culture.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #91 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 12:28pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:29pm:
I would suggest that a more understanding person would try and discover why he acted the way he did, rather than merely condemn him automatically.  I've know quite a few Indian people over the years and all have been good people at heart.  I've met Indians, in India and been impressed with the way they conducted themselves.  I've also met a few arrogant ones who were little runs but I don't judge people on the actions of a tiny minority.  High Caste Hindus have real problems associating with foreigners and tend to shy away from us.  Doesn't excuse their rudeness but it makes it understandable.  Thankfully they don't travel very much outside India.


Indians have been on record, speaking in English, talking about threatening Australia with a nuclear attack. All because there were news reports about Indians in Australia attacking other Indians, and then blaming Australia. Indians have a severe racism against foreigners and other races issue, and it has not been covered up in the media.


There are hotheads in every society, Unsub.  Australians frequently issue threats to burn down Moques without real cause, should Australia be judged by their utterances? There are idiots everywhere, even in this forum.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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And if you have worked with or around Indian people, they show little regard for you, if you are not Indian.


Not sure who you're referring to, there, Unsub.  As I've said most Indians that I have encountered have been respectful and have regarded me as their equals.  Perhaps you hang around ill-educated ones?

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Women who have dated Indian men have not given Indian men good reviews. Indian men are very controlling of their women. You could imagine how unsettling it would have been for my 15-year-old daughter to have heard South Asian men being within earshot of her Mmm-hmm in varying tones whilst they leered at her. Indian men consider blonde women (and girls) as prostitutes.


Never encountered the problem, Unsub.  All the Indians I've known have treated women with considerable respect.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Your ancestors were your ancestors, Unsub.  As L.P. Hartley said, "The past is another country: they do things differently there,”  Most white people have a rather a mature attitude towards their ancestors.  Indigenous people regard their ancestors as more intimate people and believe what happened to them affects themself much more intimately.


That is clear double standards, right there, Brian. Either their ancestors were part of the problem or part of the solution. It is hard to be both. My white ancestors worked hard to get what they earned. I can only try to live up to their standards of work ethic. Indigenous people don't talk about their ancestors. It is forbidden in some cultures to mention their names or what they look like.


Their ancestors were in the main, innocent, Unsub.  White colonists disrespected them and their claims to ownership of the land on which they lived.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Their ancestors are all they have left of their culture, Unsub.  Do not force them to relinquish them as well as their society.


Oh, rubbish. You are subjected to the rules of law and the society you inhabit. Whether you want to ditch the language and culture is not something that gets forced, no matter how many times it has been tried. Even dead languages are making a come back in places. I happen to be trying to learn new languages and cultures. Indigenous Australians are their own worst enemies when it comes to losing the culture.


Spoken like a true Racists, Unsub.  Indigenous people can live how they choose as long as it is within the law.  If they want to have ancestor worship, that is up to them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #92 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 12:33pm
 
Well .... when people start to put comments like 'bunch of old white people' in place of discussion of a NO case meeting, and steer away from the issues for all Stakeholders with Rights and in need of a Voice ...... not only is that first group racist, but they are ageist as well and probably sexist and supremacist ..... not to even mention genderist....

Funny how some are so lost they imagine that only selected groups can have Rights and need a Voice or anything..... and the moment any different Voice is heard, they jump up and down as if this is some obscenity.... that is pure madness....

Good reason to vote NO just to counter the utterly stupid out there.
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Reply #93 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 6:15pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 12:33pm:
Well .... when people start to put comments like 'bunch of old white people' in place of discussion of a NO case meeting, and steer away from the issues for all Stakeholders with Rights and in need of a Voice ...... not only is that first group racist, but they are ageist as well and probably sexist and supremacist ..... not to even mention genderist....

Funny how some are so lost they imagine that only selected groups can have Rights and need a Voice or anything..... and the moment any different Voice is heard, they jump up and down as if this is some obscenity.... that is pure madness....

Good reason to vote NO just to counter the utterly stupid out there.


Can't get much more stupid than Bwyan.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #94 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not



I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.


I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws
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Reply #95 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:47pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not


The laws are applied differently, if you are an indigenous person. I would face more of a punishment swearing in public than would an indigenous person who punched someone in the face.


What crap. No one gets charged for swearing anymore.  There's a lot more aborigines in jail for trivial matters than there are white people
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Reply #96 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:31pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not



I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.


I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws


Again?
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #97 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not



I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.


I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws


Again?


You didn't put up any laws.
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Reply #98 - Jun 8th, 2023 at 4:43am
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not



I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.


I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws


Again?


You didn't put up any laws.


I'll repeat myself. The voice, for starters. How about instead of dribbling some nonsense again, you tell us whether you realise yet that this amendment to the constitution would treat people differently on the basis of race.
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Reply #99 - Jun 8th, 2023 at 10:02am
 
Here's your definition in a nutshell:-

“The Voice has to be able to give advice. If nothing that the Voice says is subject to  the ordinary laws of Australia, in other words, it’s completely gutted and has no safe standing, if you like, then the government can ignore all of the Voice’s decisions with impunity.”  - Marcia Langton.

So when someone demands that an entirely race-based body MUST have its views not only listened to by government but accepted without question by that government - that is clearly both racism and supremacism.

WTF is going on in Albo's head and Labor's heads?  How dare they foist such insanity on all others?  what IS the game plan here?

To set in place a precedent so as to guarantee that at a near future time, given that one small group has been handed control over the nation, a single party can be handed the same level of control over the entire nation?  The bolsheviks will be upon us - and Labor will do a Nazi Party and vote itself permanent power in Australia?

WTF is that mad man doing?  Why did you vote for modern Labor?

I Told You So!!
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Reply #100 - Jun 8th, 2023 at 11:38am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2023 at 4:43am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not



I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.


I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws


Again?


You didn't put up any laws.


I'll repeat myself. The voice, for starters. How about instead of dribbling some nonsense again, you tell us whether you realise yet that this amendment to the constitution would treat people differently on the basis of race.



All I see is you flapping your gums again ... put up the law, or shut up and stop pretending you have a clue
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Reply #101 - Jun 8th, 2023 at 12:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:47pm:
What crap. No one gets charged for swearing anymore.  There's a lot more aborigines in jail for trivial matters than there are white people


If there are children around and police witness someone making crude remarks, that person can be charged with obscene language. The first time I sat in court watching someone charged with that, the person received a $50 fine.

Indigenous people are mainly in gaol for matters of paying off fines that they cannot afford to pay.
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Reply #102 - Jun 8th, 2023 at 5:25pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8th, 2023 at 12:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:47pm:
What crap. No one gets charged for swearing anymore.  There's a lot more aborigines in jail for trivial matters than there are white people


If there are children around and police witness someone making crude remarks, that person can be charged with obscene language. The first time I sat in court watching someone charged with that, the person received a $50 fine.

Indigenous people are mainly in gaol for matters of paying off fines that they cannot afford to pay.



Not in the Enlightened States, they aren't.  Nobody goes to prison for unpaid fines now in those states...... and yet the Aborigines make up a huge percentage of the inmates..... according to a prison officer I spoke to, 25% are there for relationship violence of one kind or another.... always involving violence not just Clayton's Violence that the feminists love so much for its advantages in their jihads...

In the Enlightened States they are in prison for crimes... methinks you are dreaming or listening too much to mothra the self-proclaimed expert who says the same thing....


"    4.1 Indigenous people were 17.3 times more likely to be arrested than non-Indigenous people. The over-representation rate in Western Australia is four times the national average.

    4.2 Incarceration of Indigenous people in Australia has increased by 61 per cent between 1988 and 1995. Incarceration of non-Indigenous people has increased by 38 per cent.

    4.3 Indigenous people in 1995 were 14.7 times more likely to be imprisoned than non-Indigenous people.

    4.4 Indigenous people are more likely to be imprisoned for assault, break and enter, motor vehicle offences, property offences and justice procedures offences. They are also more likely to be arrested for good order offences.

    4.5 Indigenous people are twice as likely as non-Indigenous people to be arrested in circumstances where assault occasioning no harm is the most serious offence. They are three times more likely to be imprisoned for such an offence. This indicates that provocative policing is continuing through the use of the trifecta (offensive language, resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer – often occasioning no harm).
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Bit old - but ah - coupla days!!
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Reply #103 - Jun 8th, 2023 at 5:52pm
 
Things must have changed in the last 12 years. A former co-worker (at a different job I had) said that if you cannot afford to pay a large fine, you could opt to go to prison for a few days to pay off the fine at a rate of $100 a day. That is what he did when he racked up a large number of traffic fines that he could not pay. He did his time in prison. But, he was suspended from driving for a long time afterwards. And the suspension from driving continue to be extended because he kept getting caught driving whilst suspended.

Indigenous people have a high rate of imprisonment for violence. But, judging by reports about indigenous people attending court for criminal matters, most of them get suspended sentences and let go to do it all again. If indigenous people were arrested, convicted and imprisoned at the same rate that white people were arrested, convicted and imprisoned, there would be a lot more indigenous people in prison. Police don't even bother arresting indigenous people simply based on many indigenous people just getting a warning for what non-indigenous people would get convicted.
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Reply #104 - Jun 8th, 2023 at 5:57pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2023 at 11:38am:
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2023 at 4:43am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 9:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 7:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not



I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.


I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws


Again?


You didn't put up any laws.


I'll repeat myself. The voice, for starters. How about instead of dribbling some nonsense again, you tell us whether you realise yet that this amendment to the constitution would treat people differently on the basis of race.



All I see is you flapping your gums again ... put up the law, or shut up and stop pretending you have a clue


Do you not know what I am talking about John? It's OK, I believe you.
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