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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #75 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 11:23am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 9:13pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 8:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 4:50pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 4:04pm:
It's a word game. There are laws that don't apply to abos.

Fishing for instance.
No bags limits.
No size limits.
No closed seasons.
Can catch and eat anything they want.
And they can use white man's boat, with white man's motor to catch blackmans traditional food.

There are laws that don't apply to abos.  Roll Eyes


There are Racists who claim that Indigenous people are above the law.  In reality, they are just as subject to the law as are White fellas.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you agree that they are not subject to the laws that govern what I posted above?

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No, i do not agree with you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Well then you cannot be taken seriously on any matter regarding aboriginies.
You sir, are nothing more than an online troll.

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You are assuming that one must automatically hate Indigenous people without cause.  My experience has been largely positive with Indigenous people i have met.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I do not have to assume anything towards you.
It's ad abvious as the nose on your face.

I have stated the facts above, and that aborigines are not bound by the laws that all other race of man is bound by in this country.
You then openly admitted that you do not agree.
Therefore you are trolling.  Wink


So, let me guess this right, in order to be declared a, "troll", all one has to do is disagree with you?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, now that is a turn up for the books!

In reality, one would assume in normal discourse we would exchange a little more banter before arriving at a conclusion like that.  It seems you just want to make life more difficult for me, don't you?  Normally, people are declared to be trolls on the basis of multiple posts, like Matty is.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, I suppose that ends our conversation, hey, Caveman?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #76 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 11:23am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 9:13pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 8:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 4:50pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 4:04pm:
It's a word game. There are laws that don't apply to abos.

Fishing for instance.
No bags limits.
No size limits.
No closed seasons.
Can catch and eat anything they want.
And they can use white man's boat, with white man's motor to catch blackmans traditional food.

There are laws that don't apply to abos.  Roll Eyes


There are Racists who claim that Indigenous people are above the law.  In reality, they are just as subject to the law as are White fellas.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you agree that they are not subject to the laws that govern what I posted above?

Roll Eyes


No, i do not agree with you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Well then you cannot be taken seriously on any matter regarding aboriginies.
You sir, are nothing more than an online troll.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You are assuming that one must automatically hate Indigenous people without cause.  My experience has been largely positive with Indigenous people i have met.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I do not have to assume anything towards you.
It's ad abvious as the nose on your face.

I have stated the facts above, and that aborigines are not bound by the laws that all other race of man is bound by in this country.
You then openly admitted that you do not agree.
Therefore you are trolling.  Wink


So, let me guess this right, in order to be declared a, "troll", all one has to do is disagree with you?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, now that is a turn up for the books!

In reality, one would assume in normal discourse we would exchange a little more banter before arriving at a conclusion like that.  It seems you just want to make life more difficult for me, don't you?  Normally, people are declared to be trolls on the basis of multiple posts, like Matty is.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, I suppose that ends our conversation, hey, Caveman?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Sure, sure Brian.
Whatever Brian.... tsk... tsk.
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Reply #77 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 3:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not



I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.
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Reply #78 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 7:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Seems you are projecting, there, Unsub.  Unless I say something, I think you can understand that I hold a negative view about it.  I do not dislike White people, I do not dislike Indigenous people/Muslims/Asians/Migrants, unless they personally attack me.  In all my years I think I've encountered one bad Asian person, in a carpark at Dickson, ACT, when he turned around and insulted me for no reason.  Perhaps he had a bad day but it was nothing to do with me.


No projecting is coming from me at all. I treat people according to how they treat me. In fact, the last time an Asian person insulted me, it was when he was out with his friends at an eatery. He was leering at my daughter (who was not yet of age to consent). His friends joined in on the noisy "Mmm, mmm, mmm" nodding away as they stared at my daughter. Not that I would condemn all Indians for his (and his friends) actions. But, I spoke up and was insulted for speaking up.

I read your posts in the context that the Indian guy was justified in his actions because he was, allegedly, suffering the psychological affects of the British giving his grand parents an inferiority complex when the British ruled India.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Claim it, if you like, I'll join with the majority of other people and laugh at you.  Does that make you feel better?  I have an ancestor who was transported for being a Highway Man and he was thankful for it because it gave him a new start in a new country.  I have other ancestors who were Irish poor people who decided they liked the new country they ended up and stayed here.  I generally get on well with most people when I first meet them, white, black, brown or purple skinned.  I dislike Racists, I dislike Xenophobes, I hate Tories.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you want to laugh at my insincere idea that I should claim compensation for being part of the descendants who worked as low-paid labourers and farmers in England and Wales in the 18th century? The basic idea of my previous post was to point out that I am not suffering the psychological affects of being a descendant of people who worked as tavern keeprs and farmers, etc. I should not be entitled to being compensated for previous problems that my ancestors endured.

As such, you have consented to saying that you would laugh at indigenous Australians who think that they are owed a living for what their ancestors endured.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #79 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:02pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 10:19pm:
Hating on anyone because of the perception of their being part of some group is racism... so hating on people you reckon are racists is racist......


The belief that race accounts for the superiority and inferiority capabilities of people is "racism". Being part of a group would not mean that you are subjected to racism, simply for being part of a group.

Racists are part of any racial background. If you were serious in the interpretation of the meaning, you would find that white people are the least racist people in the world.
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Reply #80 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:26pm
 
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:07am:
See this?


I certainly have seen this sort of behaviour. It took until I was working as a pizza delivery driver in my late teens that I began to see this quite common. I recall police needing to be called to my store to deal with a couple of louts that decided that they needed to pick a fight with one of my employees. After the police spent some minutes trying to fight these two clowns, the supervisor (20 years of age) asked them if they needed back up. The officer gave a sardonic "Yeah, that'll be great".

I remember being told about the co-worker getting mugged by a large group of indigenous people because they thought that they had a right to mug white people. I also recall the latter part of the year 2000 when groups of indigenous people -- aged teens to their 40s -- roamed Rockhampton looking to fight anyone not indigenous. The police sirens blared all over town.

Just recently, vigilante groups -- sick of hearing the constant car thefts -- took to patrolling the town in convoys. I recall seeing the vigilantes lining up in the drive-thru at McDonalds. They chanted their vigilante slogan whilst they awaited their meals. Then they went on their way to patrol neighbourhoods of people suspected of the car thefts.

Rockhampton (and Mackay) has given probably 40 years of leniency towards indigenous people. It has only been the last 2 years that vigilante groups have sprung up deciding that "enough is enough". Whilst I do not condone vigilante behaviour, I certainly understand their motivations behind the vigliante groups. I have personally witnessed at least 3 car thefts in my suburb. If there was a matter of car owners dragging the car thieves out of the car and beating them to a pulp, I would actually understand. They certainly would be justified.

Riots that happen in public places should be dealt with as quickly and as efficiently as possible. I no longer give indigenous people any leniency for their self-inflicted antisocial and unlawful behaviour.
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Reply #81 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
You are assuming that one must automatically hate Indigenous people without cause.  My experience has been largely positive with Indigenous people i have met.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The majority of indigenous people I have known have been very good. It might be the 20 or 30% that I would either not want to associate with or avoid altogether that I do believe are the problem. I do not hate indigenous people. I hate the ones that think that they are entitled to be above the law or not need to work for a living.
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Reply #82 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:52pm:
You sound like a jealous little boy, Matty.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, we owe Indigenous people because we abandoned them for generations and stole their children and destroyed their families/clans/tribes.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


We owe indigenous people nothing. They lost. Indigenous people currently have the right to retain their culture. But, if they want to live in a civilisation, they can leave any antisocial behaviour behind.

Indigenous people have had 40,000+ years to get their act together. If they cannot do it inside 5 years, they are not trying.
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Reply #83 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:34pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Boris wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 10:14am:
The laws are different.


no, they are not


The laws are applied differently, if you are an indigenous person. I would face more of a punishment swearing in public than would an indigenous person who punched someone in the face.
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Reply #84 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:13pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:52pm:
You sound like a jealous little boy, Matty.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, we owe Indigenous people because we abandoned them for generations and stole their children and destroyed their families/clans/tribes.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


We owe indigenous people nothing. They lost. Indigenous people currently have the right to retain their culture. But, if they want to live in a civilisation, they can leave any antisocial behaviour behind.

Indigenous people have had 40,000+ years to get their act together. If they cannot do it inside 5 years, they are not trying.


You are so understanding, Unsub.  Tell me, how long have you been on the Dole?  How about we give you a few months to sort yourself out and get a good paying job?  Off you go, set an example, lets see how good you are!  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #85 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:16pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 8:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
You are assuming that one must automatically hate Indigenous people without cause.  My experience has been largely positive with Indigenous people i have met.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The majority of indigenous people I have known have been very good. It might be the 20 or 30% that I would either not want to associate with or avoid altogether that I do believe are the problem. I do not hate indigenous people. I hate the ones that think that they are entitled to be above the law or not need to work for a living.


Who set you up, as judge and jury, Unsub?  Everybody is different and everybody has a different situation.  The deserve not to be judged by ignorant people but rather understood.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #86 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:20pm
 
Brian is a racist who hates Yellow People.
Apparently waging War and violence against them is justified in 'their' part of the world.
Vietnam?
Korea?
Taiwan?
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #87 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:29pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 7:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Seems you are projecting, there, Unsub.  Unless I say something, I think you can understand that I hold a negative view about it.  I do not dislike White people, I do not dislike Indigenous people/Muslims/Asians/Migrants, unless they personally attack me.  In all my years I think I've encountered one bad Asian person, in a carpark at Dickson, ACT, when he turned around and insulted me for no reason.  Perhaps he had a bad day but it was nothing to do with me.


No projecting is coming from me at all. I treat people according to how they treat me. In fact, the last time an Asian person insulted me, it was when he was out with his friends at an eatery. He was leering at my daughter (who was not yet of age to consent). His friends joined in on the noisy "Mmm, mmm, mmm" nodding away as they stared at my daughter. Not that I would condemn all Indians for his (and his friends) actions. But, I spoke up and was insulted for speaking up.

I read your posts in the context that the Indian guy was justified in his actions because he was, allegedly, suffering the psychological affects of the British giving his grand parents an inferiority complex when the British ruled India.


I would suggest that a more understanding person would try and discover why he acted the way he did, rather than merely condemn him automatically.  I've know quite a few Indian people over the years and all have been good people at heart.  I've met Indians, in India and been impressed with the way they conducted themselves.  I've also met a few arrogant ones who were little runs but I don't judge people on the actions of a tiny minority.  High Caste Hindus have real problems associating with foreigners and tend to shy away from us.  Doesn't excuse their rudeness but it makes it understandable.  Thankfully they don't travel very much outside India.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Claim it, if you like, I'll join with the majority of other people and laugh at you.  Does that make you feel better?  I have an ancestor who was transported for being a Highway Man and he was thankful for it because it gave him a new start in a new country.  I have other ancestors who were Irish poor people who decided they liked the new country they ended up and stayed here.  I generally get on well with most people when I first meet them, white, black, brown or purple skinned.  I dislike Racists, I dislike Xenophobes, I hate Tories.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you want to laugh at my insincere idea that I should claim compensation for being part of the descendants who worked as low-paid labourers and farmers in England and Wales in the 18th century? The basic idea of my previous post was to point out that I am not suffering the psychological affects of being a descendant of people who worked as tavern keeprs and farmers, etc. I should not be entitled to being compensated for previous problems that my ancestors endured.


Your ancestors were your ancestors, Unsub.  As L.P. Hartley said, "The past is another country: they do things differently there,”  Most white people have a rather a mature attitude towards their ancestors.  Indigenous people regard their ancestors as more intimate people and believe what happened to them affects themself much more intimately.

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As such, you have consented to saying that you would laugh at indigenous Australians who think that they are owed a living for what their ancestors endured.


Their ancestors are all they have left of their culture, Unsub.  Do not force them to relinquish them as well as their society.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #88 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:13pm:
You are so understanding, Unsub.  Tell me, how long have you been on the Dole?  How about we give you a few months to sort yourself out and get a good paying job?  Off you go, set an example, lets see how good you are!  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If I was idle, like many indigenous people on the dole, I would not be on the dole for longer than 6 months. In fact, if I did not show up to my job network meetings, I would have had my welfare cancelled in no uncertain terms. Try that sort of thing with indigenous people, they will riot through the streets and get put into custody for a feed, a bed, and shelter.

I was on Youth Allowance from the year 1999 to 2006. Then I was on Newstart until some years ago. Then it was changed to JobSeeker.

There have been comment about me on how I am a capable person, but not working more than 20 hours a week (most of the time). I have been challenged to work more than 40 hours a week, just to test if I was up to the task of working full-time hours. I succeeded. The only question left to ask is which place of employment will accept me. There have been a lot of knock backs from employment places, despite the hundreds of applications I have made. I will have to rely on my current TAFE course teacher to put me (and fellow students) in contact with relevant employment, during my training in the next few months.
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Reply #89 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 9:16pm:
Who set you up, as judge and jury, Unsub?  Everybody is different and everybody has a different situation.  The deserve not to be judged by ignorant people but rather understood.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


My parents live in a house surrounded by indigenous housing commission homes. One such family, being drug dealers and avid racists, have been nothing but a drain on the safety and security of their neighbours. I would love for them to pack up and move to Perth to be living next door to you. I bet after a month of having them there, you would be no longer disagreeing with me about the deception of indigenous treatment.
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