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Reply #135 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:23am

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:57am:

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

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Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race?

Nope.

What are the characteristics of Aboriginality that needs a Voice then, frightbat?

And the characteristics on non-Aboriginality that does not require or need an additional Voice it already has?

Why on earth are you asking about the characteristics of people?

What is it that is wrong with you?

ABORIGINAL voice.
Adjective= describes a characteristic.

I am sorry if it is beyond you, frightbat. I thought you were for the ABORIGINAL voice to parliament. I didnt realise that you have no idea what the adjective signifies in that phrase.

Mebbe ask Arssie or Thicko Gino.

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #136 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:26am

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:23am:

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:57am:

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

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Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race?

Nope.

What are the characteristics of Aboriginality that needs a Voice then, frightbat?

And the characteristics on non-Aboriginality that does not require or need an additional Voice it already has?

Why on earth are you asking about the characteristics of people?

What is it that is wrong with you?

ABORIGINAL voice.
Adjective= describes a characteristic.

I am sorry if it is beyond you, frightbat. I thought you were for the ABORIGINAL voice to parliament. I didnt realise that you have no idea what the adjective signifies in that phrase.

Mebbe ask Arssie or Thicko Gino.

Precisely what "characteristics" are you frighted will be written into the constitution, fruitbat?

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #137 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 11:21am

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:23am:

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:57am:

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

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Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race?

Nope.

What are the characteristics of Aboriginality that needs a Voice then, frightbat?

And the characteristics on non-Aboriginality that does not require or need an additional Voice it already has?

Why on earth are you asking about the characteristics of people?

What is it that is wrong with you?

ABORIGINAL voice.
Adjective= describes a characteristic.

I am sorry if it is beyond you, frightbat. I thought you were for the ABORIGINAL voice to parliament. I didnt realise that you have no idea what the adjective signifies in that phrase.

Mebbe ask Arssie or Thicko Gino.

Precisely what "characteristics" are you frighted will be written into the constitution, fruitbat?

Racial characteristics.

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #138 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 2:06pm

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

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Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race?

Nope.

So it is possible for a government department called "the voice" to speak on behalf of all of these aborigines, who are identified by race, without assigning any common characteristics to them?

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #139 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 2:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Brian,
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There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness.
Indigenousness is not testable.

Good - so that means that even I could call myself an Abbo and get all that free money.

Thanks Brian.

You can call yourself what ever you like, Bobby. However, other Indigenous people might protest at your use of a Racist name and you still need to be accepted by a real group of Indigenous people as Indigenous. I am unsure why you persist with the use of a Racist name. It is not becoming to your mentality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What do I call myself then - a Black fella?

Try Indigenous, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I want some White fella money.
I need it to buy beer.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 112363 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #141 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 2:20pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 2:18pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3847/ICkw7v.png dear Brian, an article just for you: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5452713/True-story-shocking-picture-out...
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Reply #142 - Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 9:07am

Listen to what Noel Pearson had to say:

‘I say to multicultural communities in the campaign that I am involved [with] around the country. I say to them, “Listen, where do you fit into Australia? It’s a bit unclear. Are you with the mob from the UK? Are you kind of honorary settlers? Because some of you are the wrong colour. Or you don’t come from Northern Europe. You come from Africa, you come from Asia, you come from South America – you come from all over the joint. You come from China. I say to them, where do you fit in Australia?”’

So, let me just say this to you, Noel Pearson, that was absolutely disgusting.

Why isn’t the Race Discrimination Commissioner coming down on Noel Pearson – dragging him in front of the Human Rights Commission – because that was an utter disgrace.

Every one of us in Australia strives to make this the most successful multi-racial nation on Earth, and how dare you, Noel Pearson, sit there and say that somehow we – white Northern European Anglos – are ‘different’ … that you’ve got to choose between the two mobs. How dare you.

That was the most disgusting thing I have heard, and anybody out there who is thinking of voting ‘Yes’, you are voting ‘Yes’ to racism. I have said that from day one and I will say that all the way through.

‘Yes’ means ‘Yes’ to racism. And if you can look yourself in the mirror after listening to that and then vote ‘Yes’ then good luck to you because it was disgusting.

It is unbelievably offensive.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #143 - Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 9:26am

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:13am:

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren and what tests would they be? There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testedable. Indeed, even proposing such test betrays the proposer's Racism. They seek to justify their dislike of Indigenous people is more than just skin deep. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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So Aborigines raising the issue are racists. Right-o, cockwomble.

According to Ms Ingram, this race-shift begins with self-identification as an Indigenous person and leads to distortions of culture and people.

The Commonwealth’s three-point criteria for Indigenous identification includes: Indigenous by descent, self-identification as an Indigenous person, and acceptance by a registered Indigenous organisation.

Critiquing the validity of the beyond birth rate increase in the First Nations population, Ms Ingram argued, if the newly identified group were to be tested against the three-point criteria, from the 812,728 people who self-identified as Indigenous, “there has been data to suggest that [the population] should actually be about 300,000 less.”

However, she explained the problem lies not only with the individual, but also rests upon the non-Indigenous “enablers” who accept the potential misrepresentation, without having knowledge or qualifications to know what is truthful and what is cultural identity fraud.
This is something that Australians really do need to start asking ourselves. … Otherwise, it's just going to erase Aboriginal persons.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/article/community-leaders-warn-many-who-clai...

Three-point criteria, not one of three. So their claims of descent should be tested, not just their self-identification. Their acceptance and its basis should also be tested.

Labor prime minister Bob Hawke, on Australia Day 1988, the bicentennial of British settlement, said: “In Australia, there is no hierarchy of descent; there must be no privilege of origin.”

Privilege? Who's talking privilege?

Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

..... as you shiftless Booris and Boori-lovers do with White people... just to set the record straight... you're showing your milk of human kindness again - and how selective it is... it's a modern mental illness... feelings trump you know.....

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #144 - Dec 1^st, 2023 at 9:51am

Why is it wacist to wonder how mocha a mixed race kid is going to be?

During the Oprah Winfrey interview Meghan claimed that while she was pregnant with Archie, a member of the Royal family had “concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born”, which drew gasps of astonishment from Winfrey. Meghan declined to name the royal saying it “would be very damaging to them” to do so.

On his TalkTV show, Morgan said that he didn’t believe the two royals were racist, but he named them as King Charles and Catherine, the Princess of Wales. He said people outside of the United Kingdom could read them, and that naming them in the UK would allow an open debate about the circumstances of the accusation.

“I don’t believe that any racist comments were ever made by any of the royal family,’’ Morgan said. “And until there is actual evidence of those comments being made I will never believe it.”

A hypothetical

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Reply #145 - Dec 26^th, 2023 at 6:53am

Anthony Albanese’s claim that his failed referendum was not a personal loss for him has sparked anger among top figures in the Yes campaign, with one Aboriginal leader indicating the remarks were proof white Australia would take no responsibility for the voice’s rejection.

The Prime Minister said on Monday the result was not “a loss for him” because he was not Indigenous and the debate was not about politicians.
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Indigenous leader Sean Gordon, who supported the voice in an alliance with constitutional conservatives, agreed with Mr Albanese that Indigenous Australians were resilient people. Mr Gordon was a member of Mr Albanese’s referendum working group.

When asked about the Prime Minister’s assertion that the voice defeat was no loss for him, Mr Gordon replied that this was the issue for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, who comprised a small percentage of the population.

“It’s the challenge of our 3.7 per cent,” Mr Gordon said.

“Regardless of the issue or the outcome, the 96.3 per cent white Australia are able to comfortably move forward without any ownership, responsibility or accountability for the result.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/voice-referendum-a-loss-for-the...

1. Albo has nuffin' to do with nuffin'.

2. A glimpse into the us-and-them mentality of Aborigines: for them everybody else is 'white Australian".

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Reply #146 - Dec 26^th, 2023 at 8:06am

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2023 at 6:53am:

“Regardless of the issue or the outcome, the 96.3 per cent white Australia are able to comfortably move forward without any ownership, responsibility or accountability for the result.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/voice-referendum-a-loss-for-the...

Well, gee... Apologies to those African-, Indian-, Asian-, Middle Eastern-, and Southern European-Australians who do not identify as 'white'.

And apologies to those European Australians who have never identified with the (mis)categorisation of their respective ethnicities.

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Reply #148 - Dec 26^th, 2023 at 8:34am

Wanting special powers and rights to accrue to one because of racial heritage and perpetually advocating for the superiority of the chosen lifestyle and history .... easy as pie...

Now that we've settled that.... why do the Abos persist with it?

"Anthony Albanese’s claim that his failed referendum was not a personal loss for him has sparked anger among top figures in the Yes campaign, with one Aboriginal leader indicating the remarks were proof white Australia would take no responsibility for the voice’s rejection."

That statement sparked a belly laugh among me....... and the rats begin to turn on each other as the ship fills with water... climb over one another to escape from the locked hold from which there is no escape....

There are such things as 'Aboriginal leaders'? I thought they were all just self-interested big mouthed assholes wanting the top slots in AboCorp Australia so they can rort to their heart's content.

Good thing the good people of Australia voted their atrocity down and offered the hand of friendship to the ordinary Aborigine as opposed to their self-anointed 'leadership' that lives off top dollar by the day while the kids starve and go shoeless and learn the life of crime and rotating door prisons for life while being neglected, raped and abused, sometimes daily.

Exactly which of those arseholes actually does anything positive for Aboriginal Australia - I mean - other than collect top dollar for whining daily?

Did we miss anything, Igor? I'd hate to not be inclusive of all the evil here...

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Reply #149 - Dec 26^th, 2023 at 8:37am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 26^th, 2023 at 8:34am:

Wanting special powers and rights to accrue to one because of racial heritage and perpetually advocating for the superiority of the chosen lifestyle and history .... easy as pie...

Easy as breathing, even.

Everyone tends to consider their religious, social, and ethnic culture to be superior to all others.

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