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Reply #120 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 3:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren and what tests would they be? There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testedable. Indeed, even proposing such test betrays the proposer's Racism. They seek to justify their dislike of Indigenous people is more than just skin deep. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

DNA the lot of them..... start with Mabo clan - I'm prepared to bet that a huge percentage of the female DNA is mixed more than the men - due to captures and such... massacres of other groups and taking their women... that's how it's worked for millennia...

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #121 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:21pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 3:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren and what tests would they be? There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testedable. Indeed, even proposing such test betrays the proposer's Racism. They seek to justify their dislike of Indigenous people is more than just skin deep. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

DNA the lot of them..... start with Mabo clan - I'm prepared to bet that a huge percentage of the female DNA is mixed more than the men - due to captures and such... massacres of other groups and taking their women... that's how it's worked for millennia...

And if they refuse to have their DNA tested?

The problem is, in order to prove you are different to people, you need to impose exactly what you supposedly rail against - an authoritarian regime. You seem happy to impose your views on other people withot a care, as long as the results support your viewpoint. The problem is what do if it doesn't? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #122 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren and what tests would they be? There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testedable. Indeed, even proposing such test betrays the proposer's Racism. They seek to justify their dislike of Indigenous people is more than just skin deep. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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So Aborigines raising the issue are racists. Right-o, cockwomble.

According to Ms Ingram, this race-shift begins with self-identification as an Indigenous person and leads to distortions of culture and people.

The Commonwealth’s three-point criteria for Indigenous identification includes: Indigenous by descent, self-identification as an Indigenous person, and acceptance by a registered Indigenous organisation.

Critiquing the validity of the beyond birth rate increase in the First Nations population, Ms Ingram argued, if the newly identified group were to be tested against the three-point criteria, from the 812,728 people who self-identified as Indigenous, “there has been data to suggest that [the population] should actually be about 300,000 less.”

However, she explained the problem lies not only with the individual, but also rests upon the non-Indigenous “enablers” who accept the potential misrepresentation, without having knowledge or qualifications to know what is truthful and what is cultural identity fraud.
This is something that Australians really do need to start asking ourselves. … Otherwise, it's just going to erase Aboriginal persons.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/article/community-leaders-warn-many-who-clai...

Three-point criteria, not one of three. So their claims of descent should be tested, not just their self-identification. Their acceptance and its basis should also be tested.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111078 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #123 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:49pm Brian, Quote: There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testable. Good - so that means that even I could call myself an Abbo and get all that free money. Thanks Brian.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #124 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Brian,
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There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness.
Indigenousness is not testable.

Good - so that means that even I could call myself an Abbo and get all that free money.

Thanks Brian.

You can call yourself what ever you like, Bobby. However, other Indigenous people might protest at your use of a Racist name and you still need to be accepted by a real group of Indigenous people as Indigenous. I am unsure why you persist with the use of a Racist name. It is not becoming to your mentality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #125 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Brian,
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There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness.
Indigenousness is not testable.

Good - so that means that even I could call myself an Abbo and get all that free money.

Thanks Brian.

You can call yourself what ever you like, Bobby. However, other Indigenous people might protest at your use of a Racist name and you still need to be accepted by a real group of Indigenous people as Indigenous. I am unsure why you persist with the use of a Racist name. It is not becoming to your mentality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What do I call myself then - a Black fella?

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #126 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:32pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Brian,
Quote:

There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness.
Indigenousness is not testable.

Good - so that means that even I could call myself an Abbo and get all that free money.

Thanks Brian.

You can call yourself what ever you like, Bobby. However, other Indigenous people might protest at your use of a Racist name and you still need to be accepted by a real group of Indigenous people as Indigenous. I am unsure why you persist with the use of a Racist name. It is not becoming to your mentality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What do I call myself then - a Black fella?

Try Indigenous, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #127 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 9:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Brian,
Quote:

There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness.
Indigenousness is not testable.

Good - so that means that even I could call myself an Abbo and get all that free money.

Thanks Brian.

You can call yourself what ever you like, Bobby. However, other Indigenous people might protest at your use of a Racist name and you still need to be accepted by a real group of Indigenous people as Indigenous. I am unsure why you persist with the use of a Racist name. It is not becoming to your mentality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What do I call myself then - a Black fella?

Just not a Yellafella - the Blackfellas hate those ...

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4343 Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #128 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 8:09am In the Top End they are called "Balanda" and were killed.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #129 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:13am

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren and what tests would they be? There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testedable. Indeed, even proposing such test betrays the proposer's Racism. They seek to justify their dislike of Indigenous people is more than just skin deep. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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So Aborigines raising the issue are racists. Right-o, cockwomble.

According to Ms Ingram, this race-shift begins with self-identification as an Indigenous person and leads to distortions of culture and people.

The Commonwealth’s three-point criteria for Indigenous identification includes: Indigenous by descent, self-identification as an Indigenous person, and acceptance by a registered Indigenous organisation.

Critiquing the validity of the beyond birth rate increase in the First Nations population, Ms Ingram argued, if the newly identified group were to be tested against the three-point criteria, from the 812,728 people who self-identified as Indigenous, “there has been data to suggest that [the population] should actually be about 300,000 less.”

However, she explained the problem lies not only with the individual, but also rests upon the non-Indigenous “enablers” who accept the potential misrepresentation, without having knowledge or qualifications to know what is truthful and what is cultural identity fraud.
This is something that Australians really do need to start asking ourselves. … Otherwise, it's just going to erase Aboriginal persons.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/article/community-leaders-warn-many-who-clai...

Three-point criteria, not one of three. So their claims of descent should be tested, not just their self-identification. Their acceptance and its basis should also be tested.

Labor prime minister Bob Hawke, on Australia Day 1988, the bicentennial of British settlement, said: “In Australia, there is no hierarchy of descent; there must be no privilege of origin.”

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #130 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:20am

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:13am:

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2023 at 2:56pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren and what tests would they be? There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testedable. Indeed, even proposing such test betrays the proposer's Racism. They seek to justify their dislike of Indigenous people is more than just skin deep. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

.

So Aborigines raising the issue are racists. Right-o, cockwomble.

According to Ms Ingram, this race-shift begins with self-identification as an Indigenous person and leads to distortions of culture and people.

The Commonwealth’s three-point criteria for Indigenous identification includes: Indigenous by descent, self-identification as an Indigenous person, and acceptance by a registered Indigenous organisation.

Critiquing the validity of the beyond birth rate increase in the First Nations population, Ms Ingram argued, if the newly identified group were to be tested against the three-point criteria, from the 812,728 people who self-identified as Indigenous, “there has been data to suggest that [the population] should actually be about 300,000 less.”

However, she explained the problem lies not only with the individual, but also rests upon the non-Indigenous “enablers” who accept the potential misrepresentation, without having knowledge or qualifications to know what is truthful and what is cultural identity fraud.
This is something that Australians really do need to start asking ourselves. … Otherwise, it's just going to erase Aboriginal persons.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/article/community-leaders-warn-many-who-clai...

Three-point criteria, not one of three. So their claims of descent should be tested, not just their self-identification. Their acceptance and its basis should also be tested.

Labor prime minister Bob Hawke, on Australia Day 1988, the bicentennial of British settlement, said: “In Australia, there is no hierarchy of descent; there must be no privilege of origin.”

Privilege? Who's talking privilege?

Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50272 At my desk.	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #131 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am Quote: Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy? Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36049 Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #132 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am: Quote: Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy? Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race? Nope.
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Reply #133 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:57am

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

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Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race?

Nope.

What are the characteristics of Aboriginality that needs a Voice then, frightbat?

And the characteristics on non-Aboriginality that does not require or need an additional Voice it already has?

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Reply #134 - Jul 26^th, 2023 at 10:01am

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:57am:

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

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Do you mean the privilege of not being assigned characteristics because of your race, old boy?

Do you think the basic concept of the voice assigns characteristics to Aborigines based on their race?

Nope.

What are the characteristics of Aboriginality that needs a Voice then, frightbat?

And the characteristics on non-Aboriginality that does not require or need an additional Voice it already has?

Why on earth are you asking about the characteristics of people?

What is it that is wrong with you?

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