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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #105 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:50pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Things must have changed in the last 12 years. A former co-worker (at a different job I had) said that if you cannot afford to pay a large fine, you could opt to go to prison for a few days to pay off the fine at a rate of $100 a day. That is what he did when he racked up a large number of traffic fines that he could not pay. He did his time in prison. But, he was suspended from driving for a long time afterwards. And the suspension from driving continue to be extended because he kept getting caught driving whilst suspended.

Indigenous people have a high rate of imprisonment for violence. But, judging by reports about indigenous people attending court for criminal matters, most of them get suspended sentences and let go to do it all again. If indigenous people were arrested, convicted and imprisoned at the same rate that white people were arrested, convicted and imprisoned, there would be a lot more indigenous people in prison. Police don't even bother arresting indigenous people simply based on many indigenous people just getting a warning for what non-indigenous people would get convicted.

Maybe in Queensland... not here any more. Years ago some kid was bashed in prison while paying off fines and the government canned that and just took your licence if you didn't pay.

If you look at that list of things Aborigines (primarily) ended up in prison for - there is the Aboriginal trifecta I mentioned... abusive language, resist arrest and assault police.... and even traffic fines were a joke - any man driving alone was fair game for a fine... even driving a 998cc Mini Minor could get you a speeding fine outside the cities if you just happened to feel like a drive to check somewhere out where you've never been before... flat out at 60 mph it was.... made no difference.

I don't doubt they still do it to Abos..... then wonder why they just don't bother not to do crimes and such. They know they'll get done for something anyway, so why not make it worthwhile?

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25058 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #106 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:51pm You can challenge a speeding fine if the vehicle you are operating does not have the capability of driving at the speed limit.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #107 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:11pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 4:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 3:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

The laws are different.

no, they are not

I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.

I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws

Again?

You didn't put up any laws.

I'll repeat myself. The voice, for starters. How about instead of dribbling some nonsense again, you tell us whether you realise yet that this amendment to the constitution would treat people differently on the basis of race.

All I see is you flapping your gums again ... put up the law, or shut up and stop pretending you have a clue

Do you not know what I am talking about John? It's OK, I believe you.

All I know is that you keep running away instead of presenting your evidence

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87440 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #108 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:52pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:51pm: You can challenge a speeding fine if the vehicle you are operating does not have the capability of driving at the speed limit. Try it back then.....
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #109 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:24am

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 4:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 3:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

The laws are different.

no, they are not

I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.

I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws

Again?

You didn't put up any laws.

I'll repeat myself. The voice, for starters. How about instead of dribbling some nonsense again, you tell us whether you realise yet that this amendment to the constitution would treat people differently on the basis of race.

All I see is you flapping your gums again ... put up the law, or shut up and stop pretending you have a clue

Do you not know what I am talking about John? It's OK, I believe you.

All I know is that you keep running away instead of presenting your evidence

Do you think the proposed changes to the constitution will treat aborigines different from everyone else?

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #110 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:57am

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 4:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 3:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

The laws are different.

no, they are not

I think this is the extent of John's comprehension of the situation.

I'm still waiting for you to put up those different laws

Again?

You didn't put up any laws.

I'll repeat myself. The voice, for starters. How about instead of dribbling some nonsense again, you tell us whether you realise yet that this amendment to the constitution would treat people differently on the basis of race.

All I see is you flapping your gums again ... put up the law, or shut up and stop pretending you have a clue

Do you not know what I am talking about John? It's OK, I believe you.

All I know is that you keep running away instead of presenting your evidence

Do you think the proposed changes to the constitution will treat aborigines different from everyone else?

so you cannot find any laws that treat aborigines differently? After years of crying about it you haven't been able to find one?

Grin

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #111 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:39am

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

The laws are different.

no, they are not

No they're not .....

but they are applied differently or not applied at all.

If they're not singled out for different treatment under the law & for so many other things across the board ... like welfare, education, health, jobs etc. then no one would be asked whether or not they identify as Aboriginal or TSI.....

there would be no "box tickers" ....

we would all be Australians treated the same in all matters.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 76766 Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #112 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:49am Gnads wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:39am: No they're not ..... you might want to let FD know that Gnads wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:39am: but they are applied differently or not applied at all. laws are applied differently from person to person, cop to cop, city to city ... there's nothing new there.
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #113 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:53am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Things must have changed in the last 12 years. A former co-worker (at a different job I had) said that if you cannot afford to pay a large fine, you could opt to go to prison for a few days to pay off the fine at a rate of $100 a day. That is what he did when he racked up a large number of traffic fines that he could not pay. He did his time in prison. But, he was suspended from driving for a long time afterwards. And the suspension from driving continue to be extended because he kept getting caught driving whilst suspended.

Indigenous people have a high rate of imprisonment for violence. But, judging by reports about indigenous people attending court for criminal matters, most of them get suspended sentences and let go to do it all again. If indigenous people were arrested, convicted and imprisoned at the same rate that white people were arrested, convicted and imprisoned, there would be a lot more indigenous people in prison. Police don't even bother arresting indigenous people simply based on many indigenous people just getting a warning for what non-indigenous people would get convicted.

Maybe in Queensland... not here any more. Years ago some kid was bashed in prison while paying off fines and the government canned that and just took your licence if you didn't pay.

If you look at that list of things Aborigines (primarily) ended up in prison for - there is the Aboriginal trifecta I mentioned... abusive language, resist arrest and assault police.... and even traffic fines were a joke - any man driving alone was fair game for a fine... even driving a 998cc Mini Minor could get you a speeding fine outside the cities if you just happened to feel like a drive to check somewhere out where you've never been before... flat out at 60 mph it was.... made no difference.

I don't doubt they still do it to Abos..... then wonder why they just don't bother not to do crimes and such. They know they'll get done for something anyway, so why not make it worthwhile?

We have this in QLD -

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The State Penalties Enforcement Registry (SPER) is responsible for the collection and enforcement of unpaid fines and penalties, including: infringement notice fines (for offences such as speeding, parking illegally or toll evasion) court-ordered monetary penalties. offender debt recovery orders.

Some repeat offenders just keep racking up the SPER debts like there's no tomorrow....

one young ratbag around here a while ago had over $35,000 in SPER debt .... he didn't give a phuk.... & he's not alone in that dept.

The only alternative for idiots like that is a stint in lock up before they kill someone.

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #114 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:57am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

You can challenge a speeding fine if the vehicle you are operating does not have the capability of driving at the speed limit.

Yeah bullshyte...... there are varying speed limits & the vehicle would be capable of going faster than some of them at some stage.

Or do you drive a Fred Flinstone car or a kids peddle car?

Anyway you can challenge any traffic fine .... not too many challenges are ever successful.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87440 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The definition of racist / Racism Reply #115 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 10:03am Changing the name of some landmark to reflect a past culture and race is racist.... what's in a name? A Fraser Island by any other name would still have sand flies... maybe even crocs ... a few sharks ....
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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #116 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 10:19am

Gnads wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:39am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

The laws are different.

no, they are not

No they're not .....

but they are applied differently or not applied at all.

If they're not singled out for different treatment under the law & for so many other things across the board ... like welfare, education, health, jobs etc. then no one would be asked whether or not they identify as Aboriginal or TSI.....

there would be no "box tickers" ....

we would all be Australians treated the same in all matters.

It's coming to that - you'll either be an Australian or on the outside... I did say that this was actually Albo's plan - he's brought about the very discussions he wanted us to have - about Aboriginal problems, special rights, handovers, and whether we all should be one or many and if many separate or not.

Everyone has the right to refuse a seat in the lifeboats.... better to offer those who are wavering and causing trouble first option on 'in or out?' ... if you choose OUT then you get nothing... no room or time for strap-hangers and troublemakers.

Many other issues arise, too under Albo's Plan - immigration etc at long last... how and what and when .... then there is our basic underlying economic structures or lack thereof.... just a wide open land of consumers needing to make money any way they can and some given massive handouts for whining .... and some think that makes for the best society....

It's a disaster and going down fast.... and rather than bringing it all together, AlboCorp is splitting it further and further ...

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Re: The definition of racist / Racism
Reply #117 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 10:38am

How about land ownership and purchase rights, right to free legal use of your own land, right to use national parks and icons freely, right to freedom of the seas and rivers and use of naturally occurring life supports like water, simple right to access the beach through an empty zone where nobody lives ... right to name a place using the majority approach without it being overturned by some idiot bureaucrat to suit a mongrel breed of whingers, right to expect the law to protect your property and person when you are simply going about your legal business and not stand back and encourage Kristallnacht ...... there'll be countless other things... list them...

When a government deliberately builds two nations side by side, separate but equal, and constantly trashes the majority side to suit the minority side on race grounds - there you have racism writ large...

Time to get rid of your politicians as a group, and their mates in the public services who are wielding unrestricted power to change things their way as they choose after their 'department' etc is stacked with one side of the question so as to produce the required result.

Time to force changes on your education system so that it reflects all realities and not one....

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Reply #118 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 9:45am

The Aboriginal Voice is a race-based proposal. Aboriginality is a racial identifier. It is not merely cultural or spiritual - you cannot convert to Aboriginality just as you cannot convert to being black or white or Asian. You have to be biologically descended from Aborigines.

You have to be racially Aboriginal to be on the Voice and to be spoken for by the Voice. But Aborigines themselves estimate that out of the 800,000 people identifying as Aboriginal, some 300,000 are faking it. See SBS's Insight from October 2022.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/article/community-leaders-warn-many-who-clai...

If the country is constitutionally and subsequently legally divided as long racial lines, Aboriginal racial heritage should be genetically tested, proven and recorded. The Nurnmberg race laws said that you were a Jew if you had 3 or 4 Jewish grandparents and a mixed-race with 1-2 Jewish grandparents. What proportion of of one's ancestry should be Aboriginal to qualify for being Aboriginal for Voice purposes? 1/4? 1/8? 1/16? 1/32?
How should it be recorded? Where?

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Reply #119 - Jul 25^th, 2023 at 2:56pm

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren and what tests would they be? There are no tests that prove or disprove a person's Indigenousness. Indigenousness is not testedable. Indeed, even proposing such test betrays the proposer's Racism. They seek to justify their dislike of Indigenous people is more than just skin deep. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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