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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 45544	Re: Surprise - not Reply #15 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:49pm: I think we should be living against having to put up with barbarism. Indigenous culture is largely barbaric. That needs to be eliminated. "Elimination" is a harsh word to use. Modified would be better, don't you think? Not all of Indigenous culture is at fault here, just some of it.
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Reply #16 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 7:50pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:10pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 12:17am:

Uh... Boris... mate, seriously.

EIGHTY-TWO new topics in this Aboriginal affairs forum?

You obviously need to get a life. Cheesy

There's nothing more tedious than someone telling another "to get a life". Roll Eyes

He's got a point Geoff.
Boris is just filling the Gap which you're not filling with something better. Cheesy

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Reply #17 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:45pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

We already frickin' know that the indigenous were the first people on Australia. What should be proposed is that the constitution be amended where we acknowledge that the indigenous lost control of Australia to the European settlers. We own Australia now. We have even been generous enough to invite indigenous people to become part of our nation.

Victors can be gracious in their victory. Indeed it pays them to do so, otherwise the Indigenous will have grounds for grievance. Australia's Indigenous are not going to disappear, despite the best efforts of the Racists to eliminate them. We can either learn to live with them or live against them. Which do you think is the best way to organise a society? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'm sure we can give them the same luxury the Nihonese did for the Jommu come Ainu of the now 'Nihonese' islands.

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Reply #18 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 8:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:49pm:

I think we should be living against having to put up with barbarism. Indigenous culture is largely barbaric. That needs to be eliminated.

"Elimination" is a harsh word to use. Modified would be better, don't you think? Not all of Indigenous culture is at fault here, just some of it.

Finally solved?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89438 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Surprise - not Reply #19 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 8:08pm Recognise them by all means - but there will be no special voice based on race.
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Reply #20 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 9:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:49pm:

I think we should be living against having to put up with barbarism. Indigenous culture is largely barbaric. That needs to be eliminated.

"Elimination" is a harsh word to use. Modified would be better, don't you think? Not all of Indigenous culture is at fault here, just some of it.

If it was not for the violence of indigenous culture, it would be a pretty decent culture. The survivalist aspect of it, I mean. Not at all a fan of the bashing of the womenfolk and the spearing the legs of troublemakers. And recent understanding that indigenous people do not talk about the dead, or people who they think are dead. That is why it is difficult to locate indigenous children that go missing.

Indigenous culture is something that needs to die with the times. We can keep the survivalist element in play, and the artwork. But, most of the indigenous culture needs to die off.

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Reply #21 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 9:59pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 9:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:49pm:

I think we should be living against having to put up with barbarism. Indigenous culture is largely barbaric. That needs to be eliminated.

"Elimination" is a harsh word to use. Modified would be better, don't you think? Not all of Indigenous culture is at fault here, just some of it.

If it was not for the violence of indigenous culture, it would be a pretty decent culture. The survivalist aspect of it, I mean. Not at all a fan of the bashing of the womenfolk and the spearing the legs of troublemakers. And recent understanding that indigenous people do not talk about the dead, or people who they think are dead. That is why it is difficult to locate indigenous children that go missing.

Indigenous culture is something that needs to die with the times. We can keep the survivalist element in play, and the artwork. But, most of the indigenous culture needs to die off.

Only tribes people from central Australia have problems talking about dead people. I think spearing, if done correctly, is most probably not as bad as you make out. While bashing women folk is harsh without a doubt. Roll Eyes

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25124 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Surprise - not Reply #22 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm To be fair, I will go and read up on my textbooks about indigenous culture before I make further comment about this topic.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89438 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Surprise - not Reply #23 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 10:39pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm: To be fair, I will go and read up on my textbooks about indigenous culture before I make further comment about this topic. Dig up the pre-1788 ones to avoid any collusion or malicious changing of anything...............
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Reply #24 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 6:23am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:45pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

We already frickin' know that the indigenous were the first people on Australia. What should be proposed is that the constitution be amended where we acknowledge that the indigenous lost control of Australia to the European settlers. We own Australia now. We have even been generous enough to invite indigenous people to become part of our nation.

Victors can be gracious in their victory. Indeed it pays them to do so, otherwise the Indigenous will have grounds for grievance. Australia's Indigenous are not going to disappear, despite the best efforts of the Racists to eliminate them. We can either learn to live with them or live against them. Which do you think is the best way to organise a society? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

When have they not?

It has nothing to do with "racists" eliminating" them... as you put it.

And when there are no defining features that say you're Aboriginal other than a say so then I'd say they're doing a fair job of eliminating themselves.
It is their choice also to marry outside their race.

Aboriginals have been recognised as part of the nation since the 60's.... the choice to be actively part of it or not has been their own.

Enshrining an amendment/body into the Constitution based on race is racist.

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Reply #25 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 6:25am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:49pm:

I think we should be living against having to put up with barbarism. Indigenous culture is largely barbaric. That needs to be eliminated.

"Elimination" is a harsh word to use. Modified would be better, don't you think? Not all of Indigenous culture is at fault here, just some of it.

You had no trouble using the word "eliminate" a few posts back.

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Reply #26 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:00pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 6:25am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 4:49pm:

I think we should be living against having to put up with barbarism. Indigenous culture is largely barbaric. That needs to be eliminated.

"Elimination" is a harsh word to use. Modified would be better, don't you think? Not all of Indigenous culture is at fault here, just some of it.

You had no trouble using the word "eliminate" a few posts back.

Context. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #27 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:03pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 6:23am:

When have they not?

It has nothing to do with "racists" eliminating" them... as you put it.

And when there are no defining features that say you're Aboriginal other than a say so then I'd say they're doing a fair job of eliminating themselves.
It is their choice also to marry outside their race.

Aboriginals have been recognised as part of the nation since the 60's.... the choice to be actively part of it or not has been their own.

Enshrining an amendment/body into the Constitution based on race is racist.

You have no idea about the history of "Race" relations in Australia, do you? When you figure them out, get back to us, OK? Until then, don't waste our time with your stupidity. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:04pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 10:39pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm:

To be fair, I will go and read up on my textbooks about indigenous culture before I make further comment about this topic.

Dig up the pre-1788 ones to avoid any collusion or malicious changing of anything...............

As European contact was confined to basically post-1788, it would be hard to find much written that was meaningful pre-1788. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #29 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 10:39pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm:

To be fair, I will go and read up on my textbooks about indigenous culture before I make further comment about this topic.

Dig up the pre-1788 ones to avoid any collusion or malicious changing of anything...............

As European contact was confined to basically post-1788, it would be hard to find much written that was meaningful pre-1788. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You said it ...........................

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