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Re: Judgement Day for Roberts-Smith
Reply #135 - Jun 3rd, 2023 at 12:52pm
 
Aussie I posted this earlier. What have you to say?


Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:32am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:09am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:03am:
Let me know when BRS gives evidence that he was ordered to murder unarmed captives.



Can you think of one reason why the actions of the SAS were kept secret by the court?

We only got to hear the redacted parts.


And only by 1 judge. This 1 judge’s burden of proof was based only on the balance of probabilities. Note : It was not against the “beyond all reasonable doubt” test.

Also Aussie needs to grasp the fact that irrespective of what orders were expressly given the responsibility/accountability for each mission resides with the person/s on top who need/s to set the appropriate checks and balances to ensure everyone does their job and that their job is/remains on spec (as per all rules/regulations/standards).


This is my take on this (and apologies in advance if it comes across as typical of me being a woman/mum) : An army unit is like a family unit IMO. To be functional and successful every member must move and work together in unity and with trust and share the vision/objective/s knowing that those in the family unit have their back and support at all times. If for whatever reason a member starts to go astray/act like a cowboy then there should be a mechanism in place to stop/take time out and sort out the issue/s. It’s so easy to get distracted and forget our objectives in life. The same applies with work. I guess what I’m trying to say is this : proactive systems need to be in place to address/resolve disputes and changes (example the death of a unit member) and all this is not something which applies only to an army unit. Families work on these principles too.

My question therefore is this : Where were THESE proactive well entrenched checks and balances and safeguards etc throughout the entire time Ben Roberts Smith was in the army? I’m asking because he’s being grilled over events which cover MANY YEARS ffs!



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Reply #136 - Jun 3rd, 2023 at 1:45pm
 
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And only by 1 judge. This 1 judge’s burden of proof was based only on the balance of probabilities. Note : It was not against the “beyond all reasonable doubt” test.


The outcome of most civil trials are determined by 'only 1 judge.'  So what.

Here's how the proof thing works in a case like this.

Media defame someone by alleging an event occurred.  Someone says event did not occur as alleged.  Media agree he is defamed but say "We have a perfect defence...what we alleged happened did happen."

Burden of proving the event happened is then on the media.  Proof must be on the balance of probability....more probable than not.

Judge was satisfied, on that standard, media had proven the event occurred. 

Defamation claim dismissed.  Judgement for media with costs, likely indemnity costs.

In this case, Judge was appropriately satisfied BRS is a murdering arsehole.

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Also Aussie needs to grasp the fact that irrespective of what orders were expressly given the responsibility/accountability for each mission resides with the person/s on top who need/s to set the appropriate checks and balances to ensure everyone does their job and that their job is/remains on spec (as per all rules/regulations/standards).


Fu
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off with these silly motherhood statements of the blindingly bleeding banal obvious.

In these matters, BRS was the mission commander in the field....he was the check and balance, FFS.  He had managed to bully his subordinates into a culture where none were willing to dob the bastard in...until Masters and that other Journo came along.  (Aussies don't do dobbing well, you know, especially when the arsehole is a VC and other gong winning turd.)

The fellow digger SAS mates of BRS outed him.

BRS is no ordinary run of the mill rat bag grunt.  He is the Son of a West Australian Supreme Court Judge, a General, and he is obviously very well connected to people like Stokes who could not wait to hand him a highly paid sinecure.  Even PwC wanted him as part of their suite of handbags to parade around the place.

Finally, within the SAS itself, there obviously was a toxic culture of 'getting away with it,' but ultimately, those very checks and balances you say do not exist have exposed that culture through the Brereton Report, and you will have seen posts around OzPol about how naughty it was for people to move for the disbanding of the poisoned SAS regiment.  There are current moves to strip medals, and that seems very appropriate.  It may well be that Angus Houston falls on his sword as where the buck stops, but, given that has not already happened, I suspect there are many things that we out here are not yet aware of, things which explain why Houston has NOT fallen on his sword.

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Reply #137 - Jun 3rd, 2023 at 2:49pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 12:40pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 12:35pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 11:21am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:03am:
Let me know when BRS gives evidence that he was ordered to murder unarmed captives.


You let us know when muslims don't want to kill innocent people in the streets of Melbourne and Sydney any more




So muslims killing is bad, BRS killing is good?

Talk about concocted outrage Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


When we have a moral society, we'll have moral soldiers

One reflects the behavior of the other. Everyday there's murdering going on in our society

Did you know that the Vietnamese used to go around after a battle and stab wounded American soldiers to death .. nothing done about that as far as I know, but these days, the Allies can't kiss Vietnam's arse enough. Even Don Farrell, trade minister, spruiked a long list of virtues on Meet The Press the other day why we should boost trade with them. We forgave them for their war crimes, and said "Come on down, park your boats and come ashore, you're very welcome"

We've also said to muslim terrorists, "Pack your bags, we won't see you stranded, we've got hot food and clean sheets waiting for you, come on home"






Fu
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with this irrelevant sh
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  Go cry in some Thread for bigots.  Heaven knows there are plenty of them around the place.


Well - they're needed to balance the bigots on the other side ...
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Reply #138 - Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:38pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:03am:
Let me know when BRS gives evidence that he was ordered to murder unarmed captives.


You let us know when muslims don't want to kill innocent people in the streets of Melbourne and Sydney any more






And you let us know when your boys aren't popping over to Muslim countries and knocking off a sackful of their own, son.
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Re: Judgement Day for Roberts-Smith
Reply #139 - Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:21pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:38pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:03am:
Let me know when BRS gives evidence that he was ordered to murder unarmed captives.


You let us know when muslims don't want to kill innocent people in the streets of Melbourne and Sydney any more






And you let us know when your boys aren't popping over to Muslim countries and knocking off a sackful of their own, son.


Hi Dirty old sex tourist.
Let us know when you're done popping over to Thailand knocking off a sackful of barely legal rentboys.
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Re: Judgement Day for Roberts-Smith
Reply #140 - Jun 3rd, 2023 at 11:43pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 12:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2nd, 2023 at 8:19pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:
All you righteous khunts sticking the boot into Smith wouldn't have the guts to do what what asked of that man.


Shoot unarmed civilians and prisoners?

It doesn't take guts to do that.



You know that for a fact?


Yeah son, we know. Proven in court. That's how we know stuff.

You wanna stick your thumbs in your ears and play dumb, and we know that too.

We don't need a court for that, you're happy to fess up yourself.
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Reply #141 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 12:10am
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:21pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:38pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:03am:
Let me know when BRS gives evidence that he was ordered to murder unarmed captives.


You let us know when muslims don't want to kill innocent people in the streets of Melbourne and Sydney any more






And you let us know when your boys aren't popping over to Muslim countries and knocking off a sackful of their own, son.


Hi Dirty old sex tourist.
Let us know when you're done popping over to Thailand knocking off a sackful of barely legal rentboys.


We had this one too. Football trip to Dubbo. We didn't bother with a finger, just went in, the whole team.

Gordon passed out on the oval with his shopping bag and his half cask of goon, his pants around his ankles, poor thing.

What a way to wake up, eh? Gordon limped back the next day, pretending he'd fingered a Boong

That's what you get when you can't handle your grog, boys.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?
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Reply #142 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 12:29am
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 4th, 2023 at 12:10am:
Gordon wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:21pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:38pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 9:03am:
Let me know when BRS gives evidence that he was ordered to murder unarmed captives.


You let us know when muslims don't want to kill innocent people in the streets of Melbourne and Sydney any more






And you let us know when your boys aren't popping over to Muslim countries and knocking off a sackful of their own, son.


Hi Dirty old sex tourist.
Let us know when you're done popping over to Thailand knocking off a sackful of barely legal rentboys.


We had this one too. Football trip to Dubbo. We didn't bother with a finger, just went in, the whole team.

Gordon passed out on the oval with his shopping bag and his half cask of goon, his pants around his ankles, poor thing.

What a way to wake up, eh? Gordon limped back the next day, pretending he'd fingered a Boong

That's what you get when you can't handle your grog, boys.

Ever get the feeling you've been ploughed?


Gordon confesses to having a lot of dinners with male acquaintances quaffing whole 1.8 kg steaks fresh off the cow while his family is home alone. Maybe Chez Gordon supermodel Grappler is his 'date' on those occasions.

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Reply #143 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 1:40am
 


Can I ask if any of you blokes have been in the ADF?

Aussie; Mattyfisk; Laugh till you cry; The Grappler; Bias?

A simple yes or no will do.     Cool



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Reply #144 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 6:35am
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 12:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2nd, 2023 at 8:19pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:
All you righteous khunts sticking the boot into Smith wouldn't have the guts to do what what asked of that man.


Shoot unarmed civilians and prisoners?

It doesn't take guts to do that.



You know that for a fact?


Yeah son, we know. Proven in court. That's how we know stuff.

You wanna stick your thumbs in your ears and play dumb, and we know that too.

We don't need a court for that, you're happy to fess up yourself.


When? I didn't know he'd already been found guilty of war crimes..... how come he's walking the streets?

You being such an intelligent bastard why is it you think that BRS is the only one hanging out to dry?

He certainly wouldn't have been a one man band.

And most of the ex-servicemen I've spoken to don't hold the same views about BRS as you.
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Reply #145 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 7:13am
 
Ben should be brought before a military tribunal and

if found guilty should be hanged from the highest yardarm in Port Philip bay.
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Reply #146 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 7:38am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jun 4th, 2023 at 1:40am:
Can I ask if any of you blokes have been in the ADF?

Aussie; Mattyfisk; Laugh till you cry; The Grappler; Bias?

A simple yes or no will do.     Cool





Considering the ADF will get the Politicians to pass the bill for Conscription - enslavement of citizens to fight for them.
I don't see any reason why the above mentioned asked have to be in the ADF to pass their judgements.
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Reply #147 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 7:50am
 
Why are female soldiers not allowed to go on these missions? Anyone know?
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Reply #148 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 7:53am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 4th, 2023 at 7:50am:
Why are female soldiers not allowed to go on these missions? Anyone know?

Because they would force male Soldiers to act more professionally and not get away with the naughty things they usually get up to.

That's why they have female teachers in All Boys schools now. To keep an eye on the 'Spiders' that prey on the boys.
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Reply #149 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 7:57am
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 4th, 2023 at 6:35am:
Karnal wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 11:43pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 12:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2nd, 2023 at 8:19pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:
All you righteous khunts sticking the boot into Smith wouldn't have the guts to do what what asked of that man.


Shoot unarmed civilians and prisoners?

It doesn't take guts to do that.



You know that for a fact?


Yeah son, we know. Proven in court. That's how we know stuff.

You wanna stick your thumbs in your ears and play dumb, and we know that too.

We don't need a court for that, you're happy to fess up yourself.


1. When? I didn't know he'd already been found guilty of war crimes..... how come he's walking the streets?

2. You being such an intelligent bastard why is it you think that BRS is the only one hanging out to dry?

3. He certainly wouldn't have been a one man band.

4. And most of the ex-servicemen I've spoken to don't hold the same views about BRS as you.


Re 1 and 3 👈 That’s basically what I was saying earlier - Aussie didn’t think much of it. Oh well....we can’t agree on everything I suppose.

For the record : my husband is of the opinion that Roberts Smith is a hero and in a few high risk missions HE was responsible for saving many Australian lives and he’s now unjustly being scapegoated because of TPS (Tall Poppy Syndrome).
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