Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2023 at 8:38pm:


Absolutely.  I suspect there are a lot of questions being asked in adf circles about this.

Gnads wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:


Vietnam was never a UN-sanctioned mission. You fight wars under the Geneva Convention and the Australian rules of engagement. That's the Aussie way. If you want to play God with unarmed civilian's lives, go join the Mafia, you're not one of us.

Roberts-Smith's actions have caused untold damage to the ADF and Australia as a result. We're not head-hackers, it's not our way. Our boys fought Gallipoli and the Kokoda Trail. We fight tyrants, we don't become them. Roberts-Smith is a disgrace to our country and our species.

Yeah, we're righteous. We don't kill disabled kids and old men for sport. Nor do the soldiers who outed Roberts-Smith and, in at least one incident we know, tried to stop him. We have a code.

You?

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2023 at 10:03pm:


The incidents in question were either captured on video or reported by numerous credible witnesses. Roberts-Smith himself testified, and acknowledged most of the facts.

The burden of proof went beyond the balance of probabilities here. There is, to date, no reasonable doubt that Roberts-Smith did exactly what he was proven to have done.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2023 at 8:38pm:


He was trained to kill soldiers in battle, not unarmed civilians. Reasonable force is field combat 101 - particularly in sensitive operations like Afghanistan. Rule one is don't kill the civilians you're trying to win the hearts and minds of.

Why should the SAS be any different? They're supposed to be on our side, not puffed-up pricks putting notches on their belts.

Cunts like that make it hard on everybody - most of all the locals, but also on every other Aussie soldier who can't turn his back on them for a second.

Karnal wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2023 at 11:48pm:


Up until this point in time I thought you were Greggary.

Now I know you’re not. You’re Bwian.

Let me know when BRS gives evidence that he was ordered to murder unarmed captives.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 9:09am:


And only by 1 judge. This 1 judge’s burden of proof was based only on the balance of probabilities. Note : It was not against the “beyond all reasonable doubt” test.

Also Aussie needs to grasp the fact that irrespective of what orders were expressly given the responsibility/accountability for each mission resides with the person/s on top who need/s to set the appropriate checks and balances to ensure everyone does their job and that their job is/remains on spec (as per all rules/regulations/standards).

This is my take on this (and apologies in advance if it comes across as typical of me being a woman/mum) : An army unit is like a family unit IMO. To be functional and successful every member must move and work together in unity and with trust and share the vision/objective/s knowing that those in the family unit have their back and support at all times. If for whatever reason a member starts to go astray/act like a cowboy then there should be a mechanism in place to stop/take time out and sort out the issue/s. It’s so easy to get distracted and forget our objectives in life. The same applies with work. I guess what I’m trying to say is this : proactive systems need to be in place to address/resolve disputes and changes (example the death of a unit member) and all this is not something which applies only to an army unit. Families work on these principles too.

My question therefore is this : Where were THESE proactive well entrenched checks and balances and safeguards etc throughout the entire time Ben Roberts Smith was in the army? I’m asking because he’s being grilled over events which cover MANY YEARS ffs!

May I ask a question which isn’t 100% on topic?

Are women involved in these sorts of missions?