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Reply #45 - May 28^th, 2023 at 8:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Until the day I die, I will never understand why people hate refugees.

I don't hate refugees at all. I just don't believe that people, that bypass a number of suitable countries, for the sake of trying to get to ours, are genuine refugees.

Not that tired old argument again Roll Eyes

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 51719 Gender:	Re: Let them stay at your place. Reply #46 - May 28^th, 2023 at 8:09pm I don't hate Refugees either. Why do you jump thinking everyone but you hates Reffos? Refugees are welcome. Like Rwanda and Kosovo proved. You just seem to think that illegal entry into countries is deemed Refugee status as well.
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Reply #47 - May 28^th, 2023 at 8:53pm

Jasin wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:09pm:

I don't hate Refugees either.
Why do you jump thinking everyone but you hates Reffos?
Refugees are welcome. Like Rwanda and Kosovo proved.

You just seem to think that illegal entry into countries is deemed Refugee status as well.

People have the right to come here however they can and to request to be assessed for refugee status. We signed the UN human rights agreement that accepts this fact. People deemed to be refugees in this process are refugees. Telling lies about these people does not change that and neither does using them for political gain.

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Reply #48 - May 29^th, 2023 at 9:56am

Jasin wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:09pm:

I don't hate Refugees either.
Why do you jump thinking everyone but you hates Reffos?
Refugees are welcome. Like Rwanda and Kosovo proved.

You just seem to think that illegal entry into countries is deemed Refugee status as well.

If they're seeking asylum their entry isn't illegal.

And once they're here they need to be processed - if they aren't refugees they go home. Good.

The most recent figures available show that 90% of boat arrivals are indeed refugees though.

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Reply #50 - May 29^th, 2023 at 11:05am

Dnarever wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 10:44am:

Well over 95% of people illegally in Australia flew in yet 20 people legally arriving on a boat is the end of the world.

Yeah, it's crazy.

The boats aren't the problem - it's the planes, but the bigots are too stupid to understand.

“The rising number of airplane arrivals represents a work scam run by people smugglers, pure and simple.”

“There’s nothing wrong with claiming asylum – it’s an important right – but 90 per cent of these applications (from airplane arrivals) are eventually found to be without merit.”

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Reply #51 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:23pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:49pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

The tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who are currently in Australia arrived by plane.

They came on tourist, student, and working visas but didn't go home once their visas expired.

Again: not opinion but undeniable, verifiable fact.

Most of them are just overstayers who do so accidentally. When authorities find them, the overstayers are usually on their way back home to their country of origin -- many of them paying for the travel at their own expense.

That reads like paid propaganda.

Too 'tired' at the moment to make a proper response. But, the usual course of action by immigration is to go locate someone who has not registered to leave the country after overstaying. Normally, it is a matter of the person having forgotten that they were supposed to leave the country, or forgot the date of when they were supposed to leave.

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Reply #52 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

The tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who are currently in Australia arrived by plane.

They came on tourist, student, and working visas but didn't go home once their visas expired.

Again: not opinion but undeniable, verifiable fact.

Most of them are just overstayers ...

That makes them illegal immigrants.

...and should be subjected to being made to leave the country. They are not given a free ride like the refugee claimants who spend so many months telling authorities that they are from such a place and have a fear of persecution if they were to return.

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Reply #53 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

The tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who are currently in Australia arrived by plane.

They came on tourist, student, and working visas but didn't go home once their visas expired.

Again: not opinion but undeniable, verifiable fact.

Most of them are just overstayers who do so accidentally. When authorities find them, the overstayers are usually on their way back home to their country of origin -- many of them paying for the travel at their own expense.

No.

That's incorrect.

Where are you getting this bullshit from?

Link?

News articles from 2 decades ago. Too tired to go look for a long-past news article on the topic. Maybe things have changed since then, anyway.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25042 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Let them stay at your place. Reply #54 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:28pm Dnarever wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:00pm: Quote: Let them stay at your place. Why do the right have a stupid answer for everything? That idea of having illegal immigrants/refugees staying at the people who advocate open borders is a sound idea.
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Reply #55 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:32pm

Dnarever wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 10:44am:

Well over 95% of people illegally in Australia flew in yet 20 people legally arriving on a boat is the end of the world.

I could imagine that the visibility factor, and the concern about the people on the boats bringing all kinds of biohazard risks on their shoes into Australia would make for all kinds of hysterics for Australia.

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Reply #56 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:32pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

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Let them stay at your place.

Why do the right have a stupid answer for everything?

That idea of having illegal immigrants/refugees staying at the people who advocate open borders is a sound idea.

Not a single person in this country advocates an open border.

Everyone who seeks asylum must be vetted/processed.

No exceptions.

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Reply #57 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:33pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 10:44am:

Well over 95% of people illegally in Australia flew in yet 20 people legally arriving on a boat is the end of the world.

I could imagine that the visibility factor, and the concern about the people on the boats bringing all kinds of biohazard risks on their shoes into Australia would make for all kinds of hysterics for Australia.

I've been on an awful lot of planes in my life, and every passenger was wearing shoes.

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Reply #58 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 11:05am:

Dnarever wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 10:44am:

Well over 95% of people illegally in Australia flew in yet 20 people legally arriving on a boat is the end of the world.

Yeah, it's crazy.

The boats aren't the problem - it's the planes, but the bigots are too stupid to understand.

It was not too long ago that those people coming back from Indonesia had to walk their shoes through puddles of disinfectant and get a spray down, so that foot and mouth disease did not spread out from international airports. Maybe you do not mind the fragile Australian ecosystem collapsing. But, for the rest of us, our primary industries are at threat.

At least when the people want to arrive in Australia by plane and claim refugee status, they have been going through sanitary conditions. Cannot say that about boat people that get off boats on Australian shores and rush to the nearest shops to buy some food and drinks with their Australian $100 notes, before they might present themselves to authorities. Oh, right. You probably want to see a news link to that story, too....

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Reply #59 - May 29^th, 2023 at 2:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 29^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

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Let them stay at your place.

Why do the right have a stupid answer for everything?

That idea of having illegal immigrants/refugees staying at the people who advocate open borders is a sound idea.

Not a single person in this country advocates an open border.

Everyone who seeks asylum must be vetted/processed.

No exceptions.

Some here take exception to the idea that we house refugee with refugee advocates. Refugee advocates give the impression that we should just open the borders and let everyone come to the country.

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