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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 113176 Melbourne Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #30 - May 19^th, 2023 at 1:39pm NATO should have moved into Ukraine right at the start of the war in February 2022 and destroyed any Russians invading Ukraine. NATO wouldn't have been attacking any Russian territory. Joe Biden's weakness has caused all of this.
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Reply #32 - May 19^th, 2023 at 7:55pm

Jasin wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Ukraine isn't or wasn't part of NATO.
NATO didn't or doesn't have any right to be in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

With the permission of Zelensky, NATO would have had the right to
move into Ukraine and kick the Russians out in Feb. 2022.
They could still do it now.

I'm 100% certain that Zelensky would have agreed.

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Reply #33 - May 19^th, 2023 at 10:03pm

This thread reminds me of one some time ago where Boris put great confidence in Peter Zeihin's Youtube prediction that WW3 would start in May. Well, he's running out of time.

And who could forget Greg's fatuous prediction of Hillary's election landslide.

I am not into predictions, but I expect once the armies cease fire, independent Ukrainians partisans are going to want revenge. They will likely move into Russian territory with assassinations and attacks on infrastructure.

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Reply #34 - May 19^th, 2023 at 10:07pm

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Jasin wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Ukraine isn't or wasn't part of NATO.
NATO didn't or doesn't have any right to be in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

With the permission of Zelensky, NATO would have had the right to
move into Ukraine and kick the Russians out in Feb. 2022.
They could still do it now.

I'm 100% certain that Zelensky would have agreed.

NATO was not ready for such a move. That was part of Putin's gambit.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16038 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #35 - May 19^th, 2023 at 10:09pm issuevoter wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 10:03pm: I expect once the armies cease fire, independent Ukrainians partisans are going to want revenge. They will likely move into Russian territory with assassinations and attacks on infrastructure. Both sides can play that game.
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Reply #36 - May 19^th, 2023 at 11:51pm

I think the whole world is just wanting to see some 'nuke action'. You know, test the waters to see the effects and outcomes of a country being bombed with Nukes. A lab-rat and guinea-pig test to see if the world can get away with just letting rip all the nukes for WW3.

You know that humanity wiping itself out with a full blown nuclear war around the globe is pure 'conspiracy'. Wink

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Reply #37 - May 20^th, 2023 at 6:14am

issuevoter wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 10:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Jasin wrote on May 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Ukraine isn't or wasn't part of NATO.
NATO didn't or doesn't have any right to be in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

With the permission of Zelensky, NATO would have had the right to
move into Ukraine and kick the Russians out in Feb. 2022.
They could still do it now.

I'm 100% certain that Zelensky would have agreed.

NATO was not ready for such a move. That was part of Putin's gambit.

I don't think Ukraine can kick the Russians out all by themselves.

NATO might have to join them.

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Reply #38 - May 20^th, 2023 at 6:46am

Biden has changed his mind:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12103037/Biden-allow-European-allies-Uk...

Ukraine could receive 'game changing' F-16s as White House
'tells European allies it will not block export of fighter jets'

The F-16 jets are at the top of Ukraine's wish list of weapons to fight Russia
Kyiv is preparing to launch a counteroffensive against Putin's invading forces

By Chris Jewers

Published: 23:18 AEST, 19 May 2023

The Biden administration has told its European allies it is ready to allow them to send 'game changing' fighter jets to Ukraine to use against Vladimir Putin's forces, according to reports.

The White House is coming under increasing pressure to help Ukraine procure the US-made F-16, which are in the arsenals of a number of European countries.

However, any country would require the United States to sign off the transfer of F-16s to Ukraine on account sensitive US technology being on-board the jets.

According to CNN, White House officials have signaled to its European allies in recent weeks that it is willing to allow them to export the jets to Ukraine, which is currently gearing up for a counteroffensive against Russia's invading forces.

The network cited sources familiar discussion, adding that they said Washington remains reluctant to donate any of its own F-16s towards Kyiv's war effort.

In contrast to these numbers, the F-16s - also known as the Fighting Falcon or Viper and made by Lockheed Martin - are the most popular fighter jet in the world.

Nearly 4,500 are deployed in various countries around the world.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #39 - May 20^th, 2023 at 7:20am It was the same with the Abrams tanks. No way, no way, OK.
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Captain Caveman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6211 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #40 - May 20^th, 2023 at 8:53am Turn off CNN. They're the terrorist enablers.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 113176 Melbourne Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #41 - May 20^th, 2023 at 6:48pm https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-20-23/index.... Zelensky lands in Japan. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has landed in Japan, where he is to meet world leaders at the G7 summit in Hiroshima.
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Reply #42 - May 20^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

"Russia's deputy foreign minister has warned Western countries of “enormous risks for themselves" if Ukraine is provided with F-16 fighter jets, Russian state media TASS reported Saturday."

The Muscovites are scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to rhetoric. It translates as: "You better not do that or we will get really really mad!"

It seems to indicate they fear escalation more than NATO, and with good reason. They cannot afford another conventional war front, and apart from a nuclear attack on Ukraine or the EU, they are out of options.

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Reply #43 - May 21^st, 2023 at 5:51am

youve got to stop listening to the paid for media issuevoter.

the war in the donbas is a WW1 trtench warfare of attrition.

russia has 10 x the manpower, it has enormous natural resources. it can pump out artillery shells by the millions , it has reliable electricity, it has a rail and road network that functions.

ukraine has none of these.

the ukrainians are incredibly brave and putin is an incredible bully but when mike tyson is in a fist fight, down in the dirt with muhatma ghandi, i dont care that ghandi is "morally superior: because tysons fists are "physcially superior" and he is going to win.

i will leave the forum forever if ukraine regains all its territory .

its never ever ever going to happen.

and fools like you , cheering on the ukrainians are just prolonging the suffering.

ukraine should have done a deal 12 months ago

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Reply #44 - May 21^st, 2023 at 6:45am

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 5:51am:

youve got to stop listening to the paid for media issuevoter.

the war in the donbas is a WW1 trtench warfare of attrition.

russia has 10 x the manpower, it has enormous natural resources. it can pump out artillery shells by the millions , it has reliable electricity, it has a rail and road network that functions.

ukraine has none of these.

the ukrainians are incredibly brave and putin is an incredible bully but when mike tyson is in a fist fight, down in the dirt with muhatma ghandi, i dont care that ghandi is "morally superior: because tysons fists are "physcially superior" and he is going to win.

i will leave the forum forever if ukraine regains all its territory .

its never ever ever going to happen.

and fools like you , cheering on the ukrainians are just prolonging the suffering.

ukraine should have done a deal 12 months ago

Never give in to bullies.

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