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Reply #330 - May 28th, 2023 at 10:29pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 10:04pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 9:56pm:
Gordon wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 9:54pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 9:36pm:
Ukraine keeps threatening an offensive that never comes.

They don't have the resources to defend much longer let alone attack.

The current spate of attacks inside Russia are a theatrical diversion to divert attention from the poor state of the Ukrainian military which keeps threatening an offensive and keeps claiming to have shot down all incoming Russian missiles, but buildings and weapons depots keep getting blown up by invisible mysterious forces which cannot be the shot-down Russian missiles.

Ukraine would have been in a better condition if they had surrendered and negotiated terms instead of fighting to the last Ukrainian while Uncle Sam urges them to get up and fight.


When anyone in the USA suggests exactly this, or points out the red lines that have been crossed in respect to NATO encroachment on Russia (such as the the USA would never tolerate) or the 2014 coup in Ukraine, they're called a Russian troll/shill.

Interesting how I find myself agreeing this.


It's your contrariness, that must be genetic.

Every time you see or hear text you think what would I do behind the Bondi sheds?


Sheds? You seem to know something I don't. You always mention changing changing sheds. Are you an actual sex offender?


I must be. It seems I have sexually offended Gordon in his mind.
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Reply #331 - May 28th, 2023 at 11:42pm
 
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The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.


it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post
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Reply #332 - May 29th, 2023 at 12:58am
 
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:21pm:
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what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,


Oh? The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians and poor old East Germans might beg to differ, dear.

Quite a few white Russians may care to differ too. There was a civil war, after all.

They don't count much. Stalin saw to them, eh?


yeah mate, you know that's not what i meant, it's like holding up the invasion of georgia in 08-09 as a 'real war', those were capitulations, not actual wars. you might  as well be using the georgian icnident as an counter-example of how the russian army actually does have the same capacity as the soviets did if you want to play that game. the clear plan A here in ukraine was it for to be another event like that, but now it's transisitioned into plan B, a war of attrition as opposed to a rapid manouver based operation to trigger a negotition/capitulation.

no one thinks the armed forces of the russian federation are equivalent to the soviet army, except people trying to construct strawmen arguments. "hahahaha superpower my ass" yeah like uhhh no one thinks the RF is a superpower, no one who isn't an idiot anyway. the soviets spent 10-20% of GDP on their military, had 80% of the industrial capacity (with much of that industrial capacity concentrated in stuff that facilitaes a large and effective military) of the united states in 1980, were a classically marxist-leninst command economy that could concentrate resources where-ever the state wanted it to, was two times as large as the russian federation, etc. it's almost like --- wait for it --- they weren't the same country or something  Shocked Shocked Shocked and had completely different governments with different values and geopolitical objectives  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

might as well be saying the republic of italy is the roman empire


Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day. Vlad's kept those missiles rolling down the street, just as Yeltsin and the commies before him did. Russia projects this image.

Don't pretend you're siding with some underdog. Russians are complete and utter cunts who invade their friends and neighbours.

Not even the Septics do that, dear.
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Reply #333 - May 29th, 2023 at 2:42am
 
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Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day


so? doesn't make them the same state anymore than the republic of egypt is the new kingdom bc



stalin wasnt even russian and that wasnt his real name
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Reply #334 - May 29th, 2023 at 6:02am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 9:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 9:47pm:
A further doco of 2 hours 48 minutes.
How factories win wars.


The American Workers That Helped The US Dominate WW2 | War Factories


[media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0xpD7J8nA[/media]


If factories win wars as you say,
China must be winning against the USA by square terametres of factories.



China is out producing the USA -
it has the largest navy in the world.

It was a great doco - here again:

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Reply #335 - May 29th, 2023 at 7:18am
 
JC Denton wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 2:42am:
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Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day


so? doesn't make them the same state anymore than the republic of egypt is the new kingdom bc



stalin wasnt even russian and that wasnt his real name

Neat.
Reckon the Curse only applies to Christians, Moslems and Jews - rather than to the true believers of ancient Pharoah Egypt.
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Reply #336 - May 29th, 2023 at 7:23am
 
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 11:42pm:
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The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.


it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post

Well, that's how Gorbachev saw it and why he embarked on the dangerous projects of perestroika and glasnost.

The Soviet Union's power was a mirage by the 80s and the 90s were years of economic and social disaster, collapse and the beginnings of Russian hyper-corruption.

Putin's vision is one of a return to Soviet-style hegemony and brutal Russian rule in Eastern Europe, as Russia's western border states are well aware of. Did they all rush to the safety of NATO? You bet they did, and others would do it yesterday if they had the chance.
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Reply #337 - May 29th, 2023 at 7:51am
 
Karnal wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 12:58am:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:21pm:
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what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,


Oh? The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians and poor old East Germans might beg to differ, dear.

Quite a few white Russians may care to differ too. There was a civil war, after all.

They don't count much. Stalin saw to them, eh?


yeah mate, you know that's not what i meant, it's like holding up the invasion of georgia in 08-09 as a 'real war', those were capitulations, not actual wars. you might  as well be using the georgian icnident as an counter-example of how the russian army actually does have the same capacity as the soviets did if you want to play that game. the clear plan A here in ukraine was it for to be another event like that, but now it's transisitioned into plan B, a war of attrition as opposed to a rapid manouver based operation to trigger a negotition/capitulation.

no one thinks the armed forces of the russian federation are equivalent to the soviet army, except people trying to construct strawmen arguments. "hahahaha superpower my ass" yeah like uhhh no one thinks the RF is a superpower, no one who isn't an idiot anyway. the soviets spent 10-20% of GDP on their military, had 80% of the industrial capacity (with much of that industrial capacity concentrated in stuff that facilitaes a large and effective military) of the united states in 1980, were a classically marxist-leninst command economy that could concentrate resources where-ever the state wanted it to, was two times as large as the russian federation, etc. it's almost like --- wait for it --- they weren't the same country or something  Shocked Shocked Shocked and had completely different governments with different values and geopolitical objectives  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

might as well be saying the republic of italy is the roman empire


Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day. Vlad's kept those missiles rolling down the street, just as Yeltsin and the commies before him did. Russia projects this image.

Don't pretend you're siding with some underdog. Russians are complete and utter cunts who invade their friends and neighbours.

Not even the Septics do that, dear.


So what is the the underlying problem with Russia? And there is a problem. You'd have to be a numbskull not to recognise that much. Under Putin, policy is by decree, and opposition has been steadily marginalised to the point where a charge of treason is likely. This is all justified by the NATO boogie-man who is coming to enslave Russia.
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #338 - May 29th, 2023 at 9:33am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 7:23am:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 11:42pm:
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The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.


it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post

Well, that's how Gorbachev saw it and why he embarked on the dangerous projects of perestroika and glasnost.

The Soviet Union's power was a mirage by the 80s and the 90s were years of economic and social disaster, collapse and the beginnings of Russian hyper-corruption.

Putin's vision is one of a return to Soviet-style hegemony and brutal Russian rule in Eastern Europe, as Russia's western border states are well aware of. Did they all rush to the safety of NATO? You bet they did, and others would do it yesterday if they had the chance.


Just so. Vlad has said this many times. Ukraine was just the start of a new Russian empire, as every satelite state knows. Vlad has totally botched this, as every Russian general and oligarch knows.

Vlad was planning a nice, triumphant retirement in his nice triumphant palace. Not only has he botched that, he's destroyed the Ruski Mir, that spirit of militaristic strength Russians carry with them.

Yes, Stalin and Beria were Georgians, who spoke Russian with a thick accent. Thus why Putin uses the emblem of Peter the Great.

Ah, the best laid plans, no?
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Reply #339 - May 29th, 2023 at 9:43am
 
Karnal wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 9:33am:
Yes, Stalin and Beria were Georgians, who spoke Russian with a thick accent. Thus why Putin uses the emblem of Peter the Great.

It would have been a suicidal Putin had he publicly invoked the ghosts of Stalin and Beria, even if he's every bit a Stalin wannabe by temperament.


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Reply #340 - May 29th, 2023 at 10:54am
 
Karnal wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 9:33am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 7:23am:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 11:42pm:
Quote:
The Soviet Union was bankrupt when Gorbachev came to power.


it was never "bankrupt" bc states can't go "bankrupt", by your estimations the u.s must be many many times over bankrupt given how much sovereign debt it is in

also completely irrelevant to my post

Well, that's how Gorbachev saw it and why he embarked on the dangerous projects of perestroika and glasnost.

The Soviet Union's power was a mirage by the 80s and the 90s were years of economic and social disaster, collapse and the beginnings of Russian hyper-corruption.

Putin's vision is one of a return to Soviet-style hegemony and brutal Russian rule in Eastern Europe, as Russia's western border states are well aware of. Did they all rush to the safety of NATO? You bet they did, and others would do it yesterday if they had the chance.


Just so. Vlad has said this many times. Ukraine was just the start of a new Russian empire, as every satelite state knows. Vlad has totally botched this, as every Russian general and oligarch knows.

Vlad was planning a nice, triumphant retirement in his nice triumphant palace. Not only has he botched that, he's destroyed the Ruski Mir, that spirit of militaristic strength Russians carry with them.

Yes, Stalin and Beria were Georgians, who spoke Russian with a thick accent. Thus why Putin uses the emblem of Peter the Great.

Ah, the best laid plans, no?


Putin and Lavrov think they can survive on bluster, so did Qaddafi and Saddam.

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Reply #341 - May 29th, 2023 at 12:11pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 7:51am:
Karnal wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 12:58am:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:21pm:
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what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,


Oh? The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians and poor old East Germans might beg to differ, dear.

Quite a few white Russians may care to differ too. There was a civil war, after all.

They don't count much. Stalin saw to them, eh?


yeah mate, you know that's not what i meant, it's like holding up the invasion of georgia in 08-09 as a 'real war', those were capitulations, not actual wars. you might  as well be using the georgian icnident as an counter-example of how the russian army actually does have the same capacity as the soviets did if you want to play that game. the clear plan A here in ukraine was it for to be another event like that, but now it's transisitioned into plan B, a war of attrition as opposed to a rapid manouver based operation to trigger a negotition/capitulation.

no one thinks the armed forces of the russian federation are equivalent to the soviet army, except people trying to construct strawmen arguments. "hahahaha superpower my ass" yeah like uhhh no one thinks the RF is a superpower, no one who isn't an idiot anyway. the soviets spent 10-20% of GDP on their military, had 80% of the industrial capacity (with much of that industrial capacity concentrated in stuff that facilitaes a large and effective military) of the united states in 1980, were a classically marxist-leninst command economy that could concentrate resources where-ever the state wanted it to, was two times as large as the russian federation, etc. it's almost like --- wait for it --- they weren't the same country or something  Shocked Shocked Shocked and had completely different governments with different values and geopolitical objectives  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

might as well be saying the republic of italy is the roman empire


Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day. Vlad's kept those missiles rolling down the street, just as Yeltsin and the commies before him did. Russia projects this image.

Don't pretend you're siding with some underdog. Russians are complete and utter cunts who invade their friends and neighbours.

Not even the Septics do that, dear.


So what is the the underlying problem with Russia? And there is a problem. You'd have to be a numbskull not to recognise that much. Under Putin, policy is by decree, and opposition has been steadily marginalised to the point where a charge of treason is likely. This is all justified by the NATO boogie-man who is coming to enslave Russia.



so what is the underlying problem with the west and there is a problem. you'd have to be a numbskull not to recognise that,  under the west, policy is designed to maximise profits for the pharma and military elite.  opposing either sees you ostracised, to the point where not getting a jab is seen as treason. they have a military more focused on including trans then being combat ready.
in australia they allow their state owned media to demonise their elite SAS and strip them of their medals. they want to stop production of meat, coal and oil and take advice from a 13 yo brat with aspergers on energy policy .  this is all justified as the elites doing what is best for the slaves.
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Reply #342 - May 29th, 2023 at 12:30pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 10:54am:
Putin and Lavrov think they can survive on bluster, so did Qaddafi and Saddam.



Libya and Iraq were left in ruins after being "freed" and "democratized" by Uncle Sam.

The same is happening to Ukraine which will never recover from this war if indeed Russia allows any recovery at all.

Meanwhile, other autocratic states in the Middle East get the US stamp of approval.
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Reply #343 - May 29th, 2023 at 12:49pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 9:43am:
Karnal wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 9:33am:
Yes, Stalin and Beria were Georgians, who spoke Russian with a thick accent. Thus why Putin uses the emblem of Peter the Great.

It would have been a suicidal Putin had he publicly invoked the ghosts of Stalin and Beria, even if he's every bit a Stalin wannabe by temperament.




He's gotta look pretty far back for a popular Ruski dictator, no?

Russians aren't Chows. There's no cozy social contract that allows Russian Dear Leaders to keep the peace in return for compliance. Retired Russian bosses are rare. Most of them either die on the job or suffer the fate of the Romanovs.

Vlad watched Gaddafi's assasination over and over again. When the Arab Spring hit, he knew: that could be I. Yes, that could be I getting pulled out of a concrete pipe in the desert. That could be I getting bayoneted up the bot. That could be I getting shot with my own gold pistol.

Vlad didn't annexe Crimea to improve the lives of Crimeans. He didn't invade Ukraine to help the Ukrainian people. He's blowing Ukrainians up in their homes. He's destroying hospitals, schools, an entire generation of kids with PTSD. Vlad's attacking Ukrainian power plants to make Ukrainians cold, sick, and if possible, dead. His intention is to make 43 million people as unhappy as he possible can.

That's Aquascoot's "noble Vlad" for you, Meister. That's the guy who smells popular dissent and says ah, that could be I.

You?

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Reply #344 - May 29th, 2023 at 12:58pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 12:11pm:
issuevoter wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 7:51am:
Karnal wrote on May 29th, 2023 at 12:58am:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 8:21pm:
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what the bugger are you talking about? there were very few real soviet 'invasions' besides the invasion of afghanistan,


Oh? The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians and poor old East Germans might beg to differ, dear.

Quite a few white Russians may care to differ too. There was a civil war, after all.

They don't count much. Stalin saw to them, eh?


yeah mate, you know that's not what i meant, it's like holding up the invasion of georgia in 08-09 as a 'real war', those were capitulations, not actual wars. you might  as well be using the georgian icnident as an counter-example of how the russian army actually does have the same capacity as the soviets did if you want to play that game. the clear plan A here in ukraine was it for to be another event like that, but now it's transisitioned into plan B, a war of attrition as opposed to a rapid manouver based operation to trigger a negotition/capitulation.

no one thinks the armed forces of the russian federation are equivalent to the soviet army, except people trying to construct strawmen arguments. "hahahaha superpower my ass" yeah like uhhh no one thinks the RF is a superpower, no one who isn't an idiot anyway. the soviets spent 10-20% of GDP on their military, had 80% of the industrial capacity (with much of that industrial capacity concentrated in stuff that facilitaes a large and effective military) of the united states in 1980, were a classically marxist-leninst command economy that could concentrate resources where-ever the state wanted it to, was two times as large as the russian federation, etc. it's almost like --- wait for it --- they weren't the same country or something  Shocked Shocked Shocked and had completely different governments with different values and geopolitical objectives  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

might as well be saying the republic of italy is the roman empire


Come come, every year, the Kremlin has a jolly big military parade to celebrate VE day. Vlad's kept those missiles rolling down the street, just as Yeltsin and the commies before him did. Russia projects this image.

Don't pretend you're siding with some underdog. Russians are complete and utter cunts who invade their friends and neighbours.

Not even the Septics do that, dear.


So what is the the underlying problem with Russia? And there is a problem. You'd have to be a numbskull not to recognise that much. Under Putin, policy is by decree, and opposition has been steadily marginalised to the point where a charge of treason is likely. This is all justified by the NATO boogie-man who is coming to enslave Russia.



so what is the underlying problem with the west and there is a problem. you'd have to be a numbskull not to recognise that,  under the west, policy is designed to maximise profits for the pharma and military elite.  opposing either sees you ostracised, to the point where not getting a jab is seen as treason. they have a military more focused on including trans then being combat ready.
in australia they allow their state owned media to demonise their elite SAS and strip them of their medals. they want to stop production of meat, coal and oil and take advice from a 13 yo brat with aspergers on energy policy .  this is all justified as the elites doing what is best for the slaves.


Oh? We seem to recall your posts promoting the vax as a patriotic duty. Get vaxed, you said. Roll up your sleeves and take it like a man.

I am, you said. Stick it in, nurse, I won't even flinch.

That's the Superior Man for you, dear. Belt and braces, innit.
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