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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #300 - May 28th, 2023 at 2:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 2:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 2:03pm:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 1:49pm:
when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion



Alas - I am too old to serve in the military but if I was younger -
I'd be the first over the top of the trench leading the charge towards the Russian positions -
bayonet at the ready for a jolly good stabbing of Russian vermin.


Stabbing, or jabbing?   Undecided




Good grief - homo talk on every thread from our resident poof.
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #301 - May 28th, 2023 at 2:09pm
 
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 1:49pm:
when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion



Alas - I am too old to serve in the military but if I was younger -
I'd be the first over the top of the trench leading the charge towards the Russian positions -
bayonet at the ready for a jolly good stabbing of Russian vermin.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #302 - May 28th, 2023 at 2:20pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 2:09pm:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 1:49pm:
when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion



Alas - I am too old to serve in the military but if I was younger -
I'd be the first over the top of the trench leading the charge towards the Russian positions -
bayonet at the ready for a jolly good stabbing of Russian vermin.



just another   chicken hawk then
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #303 - May 28th, 2023 at 4:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 6:27am:
A 2 hour 10 minute video proves that factories win wars:

The West has more factories so they should win in Ukraine.







2,877,935 views  Aug 3, 2022

The Second World War was won not just on the battlefield.
From Vickers to Lancaster, here we examine the great war factories that powered Britain's production war.


A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #304 - May 28th, 2023 at 4:59pm
 
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so keep selling your european model of paradise,  people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.


the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself


You sound hurt and unsure. An existential moment, is it?

We all get them, dear. It's how you bounce out of bed that counts.

Watch Bobby's video. Mother England was successful because she was globally integrated. It's how she won the war and the peace.

One can't win war or peace without friends. This is why Mother England is failing today. She withdrew from the biggest trading block in the world. Bobby's Tory doco makers back in the 1980s would have been appalled, but what to do?

Britain left the EU with the same regulations it had before. It now has higher immigration than before, and not from Europe, but the Middle East and South Asia.

Brexit is the single biggest disaster Britain has faced since WWII. Lowest economic growth in the G7,  and without markets for trade - and skilled labour - no way back up.

Nations and economies outlive us. Putin's Russia will die with Putin, along with the plan for a Russian Ukraine. Ukrainians now wholeheartedly turn to the West. In the next 20 years, they should be full members of the EU.

Ukraine will then have opportunities Mother England would kill for now.
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #305 - May 28th, 2023 at 5:11pm
 
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 2:20pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 2:09pm:
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 1:49pm:
when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion



Alas - I am too old to serve in the military but if I was younger -
I'd be the first over the top of the trench leading the charge towards the Russian positions -
bayonet at the ready for a jolly good stabbing of Russian vermin.



just another   chicken hawk then


Bobby's got bone spurs ... on his boner.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #306 - May 28th, 2023 at 5:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 4:37pm:
A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?




Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #307 - May 28th, 2023 at 5:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
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so keep selling your european model of paradise,  people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.


the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself


You sound hurt and unsure. An existential moment, is it?

We all get them, dear. It's how you bounce out of bed that counts.

Watch Bobby's video. Mother England was successful because she was globally integrated. It's how she won the war and the peace.

One can't win war or peace without friends. This is why Mother England is failing today. She withdrew from the biggest trading block in the world. Bobby's Tory doco makers back in the 1980s would have been appalled, but what to do?

Britain left the EU with the same regulations it had before. It now has higher immigration than before, and not from Europe, but the Middle East and South Asia.

Brexit is the single biggest disaster Britain has faced since WWII. Lowest economic growth in the G7,  and without markets for trade - and skilled labour - no way back up.

Nations and economies outlive us. Putin's Russia will die with Putin, along with the plan for a Russian Ukraine. Ukrainians now wholeheartedly turn to the West. In the next 20 years, they should be full members of the EU.

Ukraine will then have opportunities Mother England would kill for now.



lucky vlad has so many friends
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #308 - May 28th, 2023 at 5:57pm
 
JC Denton wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 10:02am:
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AQUASCOOT posted


nice try goebels.

now heres the real facts on the ground.

populist nationalism is not only not finished , it is flourishing,

china, india, brazil, south africa, korea are all feircely nationalist and doing well.

energy security and food security IS economic security.

russia has enough natural resources and food to last forever.

europe can hardly keep the lights on.




you go on and on about how free people are in the west  Roll Eyes and how oppressed they are in russia .

in the west , people are so over regulated, they are free to do some chode job, sit in traffic all day , be told they are part of toxic masculinity, wank off to weed and be nothing.

8 million men with no health issues between the ages of 18 and 50 in america no longer participate in society.  they arent looking for a job, they arent working, they arent at school. they have dropped out of your garbage society.

i cant move on my road because so many "off the grid ' types are starting to try to run away from the over governed cities which are havens of mediocre garabge existence.

my old neighbours were russians. they had family in vladivostock.

in the villages of russia, if you have family there, you ju7st go to the village council and build a house, much like the amich,

no council regualtions
no rates
no land tax
no interference from moscow.

just do your own thing

fish where you like
grow what you like

its nirvana


so keep selling your european model of paradise,  people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.


the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself


obviously wages are lower in russia, but utilities are basically nothing, like $20 per month for electricity, grabbing something to eat or drink while out costs very little (and the stoloya cafetarias catering to old soviet nostalgics have some seriously cheap, nutritious food), groceries seem cheap for the most part, low petrol prices, cheap public transport. income inequality is pretty modest too, substantially lower than the united states and roughly about the same as... new zealand

they wouldn’t have a standard of living as good as an Aussie with a decent full time job, but compared to an aussie making $50k it’s probably not far off. people here going on about it like living in russia is some horrible nightmare really have little idea of perspective of the world. the changes on the ground following the black period of the 90s have been quite evident too, with cities transforming since roughly 2000 from decaying dumps to fairly okay places everywhere. this youtube channel documents this in before / after photos



ukraine by contrast is russia if it never left the post-soviet nadir period.a lot of the things pro-ukrainian/ukrainian cheerleaders write regarding russia is interestingly pure projection, or ignorance of either state.


Prior to Zalensky, Ukraine was managed by Kremlin-appointed kleptocrats, who's only job was to manage the skim from the gas. Kiev was the base for global crime syndicates, and corruption was rife. Ukraine was Putin's wild west.

The people had their say. Yanukovych was ousted in 2013 for reneging on a commitment to joining the EU. This led to the Euromaidan uprising, Putin's annexation of Crimea, and finally, the first fair election since the fall of the Soviet Union in 2019.

Zalensky's unwillingness to bend to Putin saw the invasion of 2022. From now on, Ukraine was not willing to play the role of so many other Russian satelite puppet regimes. Ukraine has a 43 million population and huge mineral wealth - why should it?

If a Ukrainian leader is going to do the right thing by Ukrainians, turning West is a no brainer. Economically sure, but politically: any Ukrainian prez who doesn't commit to European integration will simply be deposed, if not assassinated. Ukrainians want to be nice, safe, happy Euros. Why wouldn't they?

Putin puppets like Alexander Lukashenko and Ramzan Katyrov are now few and far between. Nearly all of the former Soviet states want to be Western-style democracies. It's why, after all, the iron curtain came down in the first place. Putin's dream of a Russia Mir is over - no one shares it.

Putin can only achieve influence outside Russia through kleptocracy, the oligarchs and the Russian Mafia. It's hardly a romantic vision. His invasion of Ukraine has now shown the rest that the emperor was wearing no clothes.

The Russian military is no longer capable of a good old Soviet invasion. It's certainly not capable of a US-style shock and awe assault on a recalcitrant state, which was the aim in Ukraine. Muscle was Putin's last card. He no longer has this, and everybody who counts in Russia knows it. All the states in Russia's orbit - the Russia Mir - are now looking Westward, or signing up to Xi's Belt and Road.

By invading Ukraine, Putin has single-handedly destroyed the Russian dream.

Ever get the feeling you've been fucked?
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #309 - May 28th, 2023 at 5:59pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 5:18pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 4:37pm:
A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?




Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste


Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #310 - May 28th, 2023 at 6:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 5:23pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
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so keep selling your european model of paradise,  people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.


the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself


You sound hurt and unsure. An existential moment, is it?

We all get them, dear. It's how you bounce out of bed that counts.

Watch Bobby's video. Mother England was successful because she was globally integrated. It's how she won the war and the peace.

One can't win war or peace without friends. This is why Mother England is failing today. She withdrew from the biggest trading block in the world. Bobby's Tory doco makers back in the 1980s would have been appalled, but what to do?

Britain left the EU with the same regulations it had before. It now has higher immigration than before, and not from Europe, but the Middle East and South Asia.

Brexit is the single biggest disaster Britain has faced since WWII. Lowest economic growth in the G7,  and without markets for trade - and skilled labour - no way back up.

Nations and economies outlive us. Putin's Russia will die with Putin, along with the plan for a Russian Ukraine. Ukrainians now wholeheartedly turn to the West. In the next 20 years, they should be full members of the EU.

Ukraine will then have opportunities Mother England would kill for now.



lucky vlad has so many friends


Just so. Why do you think they've tried to hide him on the right?
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #311 - May 28th, 2023 at 6:08pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 5:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 5:18pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 4:37pm:
A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?




Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste


Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.



You only got to watch that doco cause of me -
that's the only reason.
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #312 - May 28th, 2023 at 6:51pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 6:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 5:23pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
Quote:
so keep selling your european model of paradise,  people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.


the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself


You sound hurt and unsure. An existential moment, is it?

We all get them, dear. It's how you bounce out of bed that counts.

Watch Bobby's video. Mother England was successful because she was globally integrated. It's how she won the war and the peace.

One can't win war or peace without friends. This is why Mother England is failing today. She withdrew from the biggest trading block in the world. Bobby's Tory doco makers back in the 1980s would have been appalled, but what to do?

Britain left the EU with the same regulations it had before. It now has higher immigration than before, and not from Europe, but the Middle East and South Asia.

Brexit is the single biggest disaster Britain has faced since WWII. Lowest economic growth in the G7,  and without markets for trade - and skilled labour - no way back up.

Nations and economies outlive us. Putin's Russia will die with Putin, along with the plan for a Russian Ukraine. Ukrainians now wholeheartedly turn to the West. In the next 20 years, they should be full members of the EU.

Ukraine will then have opportunities Mother England would kill for now.



lucky vlad has so many friends


Just so. Why do you think they've tried to hide him on the right?




. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

try again
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #313 - May 28th, 2023 at 7:31pm
 
that's about half of the world right there
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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #314 - May 28th, 2023 at 7:55pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 6:08pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 5:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 5:18pm:
Karnal wrote on May 28th, 2023 at 4:37pm:
A fascinating piece of Thatcherite propaganda, Bobby.

They explained the WWII home front situation so well, then paste the Tory spin in at the end.

Ever get the feeling you've been propagated?




Nothing to do with Thatcher.

Did you really spend over 2 hours watching it? -
of course not.

forgiven

namaste


Of course. Good doco. Watch the last line.

Thatcher was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, dear.



You only got to watch that doco cause of me -
that's the only reason.


True. Thank you.

And we invite you to read between the lines of your docos. Read the message.

Your doco is not about British military production circa WWII, it's about free trade, privatisation and managers taking hold of a national production putsch. It's a highly ideological doco.

I'm currently reading up on whether Britain got out of the great depression through trade liberalisation, tax cuts and the government doing nothing.

So far, that's not looking too true.

You?
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