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Reply #285 - May 28^th, 2023 at 10:02am

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nice try goebels.

now heres the real facts on the ground.

populist nationalism is not only not finished , it is flourishing,

china, india, brazil, south africa, korea are all feircely nationalist and doing well.

energy security and food security IS economic security.

russia has enough natural resources and food to last forever.

europe can hardly keep the lights on.

you go on and on about how free people are in the west Roll Eyes and how oppressed they are in russia .

in the west , people are so over regulated, they are free to do some chode job, sit in traffic all day , be told they are part of toxic masculinity, wank off to weed and be nothing.

8 million men with no health issues between the ages of 18 and 50 in america no longer participate in society. they arent looking for a job, they arent working, they arent at school. they have dropped out of your garbage society.

i cant move on my road because so many "off the grid ' types are starting to try to run away from the over governed cities which are havens of mediocre garabge existence.

my old neighbours were russians. they had family in vladivostock.

in the villages of russia, if you have family there, you ju7st go to the village council and build a house, much like the amich,

no council regualtions
no rates
no land tax
no interference from moscow.

just do your own thing

fish where you like
grow what you like

its nirvana

so keep selling your european model of paradise, people arent buying,
the italians have gone back to a fundamentalist catholic PM who is booting out all the woke wankers.

france as well

the dutch farmers are in revolt.

the proud nationalists are going to prevail

they have the resources.

america, my friend is 31 trillion in debt and teetering on the edge of defaulting
ever get the feeling you are kidding yourself

obviously wages are lower in russia, but utilities are basically nothing, like $20 per month for electricity, grabbing something to eat or drink while out costs very little (and the stoloya cafetarias catering to old soviet nostalgics have some seriously cheap, nutritious food), groceries seem cheap for the most part, low petrol prices, cheap public transport. income inequality is pretty modest too, substantially lower than the united states and roughly about the same as... new zealand

they wouldn’t have a standard of living as good as an Aussie with a decent full time job, but compared to an aussie making $50k it’s probably not far off. people here going on about it like living in russia is some horrible nightmare really have little idea of perspective of the world. the changes on the ground following the black period of the 90s have been quite evident too, with cities transforming since roughly 2000 from decaying dumps to fairly okay places everywhere. this youtube channel documents this in before / after photos

ukraine by contrast is russia if it never left the post-soviet nadir period.a lot of the things pro-ukrainian/ukrainian cheerleaders write regarding russia is interestingly pure projection, or ignorance of either state.

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Reply #287 - May 28^th, 2023 at 11:07am

my neighbour was a real estate agent, his wife (russian) was a schoolteacher here in brisbane

she could basicly go back to her village and they would just give her land and help build a house.

my neighbour was doing nothing but working and he went there for holidays with the kids every year.

he was tempted to move.

it was certainly a much "freer" way of life then the slavery of the urban chode.

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Reply #288 - May 28^th, 2023 at 11:15am

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 6:27am:

A 2 hour 10 minute video proves that factories win wars:

The West has more factories so they should win in Ukraine.

2,877,935 views Aug 3, 2022

The Second World War was won not just on the battlefield.
From Vickers to Lancaster, here we examine the great war factories that powered Britain's production war.

bobby, that was true in 1940's and 50's

american made almost all the worlds cars, britain was a powerhouse of manufacturing

is that still the case?

america hardly makes a car, they have exported all their manufacturing to asia or mexico.

britain is probably worse.

even the germans have exported bmw and mercedes plants to china

lets look at energy.

russia has heaps, europe had to go back to brown coal to make it thru the winter.

lets look at workforce.

not many europeans or americans know how to build artillery shells. i think they'd rather be instagram influencers.

lets look at the army.
autocratic states (russia and china) have lots of men who will join up.
as putin said "it takes a brave man to be a coward in russia"
or maybe stalin said that.

pretty brutal words but trench warfare is pretty brutal.
you have to be pretty ruthless.

are the west still ruthless?
they 'd rather beat off to porn and smoke legal weed

the USA? they cant get recruits.

europe ? my god bobby. do you think they have a taste for trench warfare.

putin has revealed just how unfit the west is to do anything

all credit to the ukrainians , they are brave but their numbers are limited.

but the west is just impotent

they are so naive, they think changing their twitter id to a ukranian flag is going to win the war

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Reply #289 - May 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

bobby, that was true in 1940's and 50's
american made almost all the worlds cars, britain was a powerhouse of manufacturing
is that still the case?
america hardly makes a car, they have exported all their manufacturing to asia or mexico.
britain is probably worse.
even the germans have exported bmw and mercedes plants to china
lets look at energy.
russia has heaps, europe had to go back to brown coal to make it thru the winter.
lets look at workforce.
not many europeans or americans know how to build artillery shells. i think they'd rather be instagram influencers.
lets look at the army.
autocratic states (russia and china) have lots of men who will join up.
as putin said "it takes a brave man to be a coward in russia"
or maybe stalin said that.
pretty brutal words but trench warfare is pretty brutal.
you have to be pretty ruthless.
are the west still ruthless?
they 'd rather beat off to porn and smoke legal weed
the USA? they cant get recruits.
europe ? my god bobby. do you think they have a taste for trench warfare.
putin has revealed just how unfit the west is to do anything
all credit to the ukrainians , they are brave but their numbers are limited.
but the west is just impotent
they are so naive, they think changing their twitter id to a ukranian flag is going to win the war

I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

The fact is that Ukraine was very short of ammunition and that's why
they couldn't kick the Russians out.
I heard one story where they were limited to 3 shells per day when they wanted to
fire hundreds of shells every hour.

"they 'd rather beat off to porn and smoke legal weed " -
western decadence has taken over -
the west is full of homosexuals who are more interested in
other guys bums than fighting wars.

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Reply #290 - May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm

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I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

i love how you think its that easy

like it's an rts game

"just build a factory bro" -- country that cant even build enough public housing so the waiting list if you're a crackhead single mum with 5 dependents to 5 differernt baby daddies is 45 years

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Reply #291 - May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

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I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

i love how you think its that easy

"just build a factory bro" -- country that cant even build enough public housing so the waiting list if you're a crackhead single mum with 5 dependents to 5 different baby dadies is 45 years

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

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Reply #292 - May 28^th, 2023 at 1:18pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

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I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

i love how you think its that easy

"just build a factory bro" -- country that cant even build enough public housing so the waiting list if you're a crackhead single mum with 5 dependents to 5 different baby dadies is 45 years

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

forgiven

namaste

yes mate it's totally ww2 and we are totally running the same economic system with the same parameters and political priorities as 'we' were in 1944 to fight a war against a country we're not at war at and isn't attacking us Roll Eyes

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #293 - May 28^th, 2023 at 1:23pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

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I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

i love how you think its that easy

"just build a factory bro" -- country that cant even build enough public housing so the waiting list if you're a crackhead single mum with 5 dependents to 5 different baby dadies is 45 years

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

forgiven

namaste

yes mate it's totally ww2 and we are totally running the same economic system with the same parameters and political priorities as 'we' were in 1944 to fight a war against a country we're not at war at and isn't attacking us Roll Eyes

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Have you heard of the phoney war after Hitler invaded Poland?
I thought not.

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Reply #294 - May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:23pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

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I can assure you that many Europeans or Americans know how to build artillery shells -
the questions are:
have they moved to 24 hour production &
have they opened any new factories?

i love how you think its that easy

"just build a factory bro" -- country that cant even build enough public housing so the waiting list if you're a crackhead single mum with 5 dependents to 5 different baby dadies is 45 years

If you would have spent 2 hours and 10 minutes watching the video
you would have understood.

forgiven

namaste

yes mate it's totally ww2 and we are totally running the same economic system with the same parameters and political priorities as 'we' were in 1944 to fight a war against a country we're not at war at and isn't attacking us Roll Eyes

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Have you heard of the phoney war after Hitler invaded Poland?
I thought not.

forgiven

namaste

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

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Reply #295 - May 28^th, 2023 at 1:55pm

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

my neighbour was a real estate agent, his wife (russian) was a schoolteacher here in brisbane

she could basicly go back to her village and they would just give her land and help build a house.

my neighbour was doing nothing but working and he went there for holidays with the kids every year.

he was tempted to move.

it was certainly a much "freer" way of life then the slavery of the urban chode.

Hang on.

You said: "my neighbour was a real estate agent".

And then you said: "my neighbour was doing nothing but working".

So, was he a real estate agent or was he working? It can't be both.

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Reply #296 - May 28^th, 2023 at 2:00pm

Putin admirers here have expressed some of the points in Russian propaganda concerning Ukraine and the government's intentions toward Moscow. The gist of their ideas is that Ukraine and NATO were planning to sneak up on Russia and destroy the Federation while they weren't looking. This left Putin no option but to invade and liberate the country from Zelensky's Nazi regime. Russians use the military support of Ukraine by the West as evidence of this NATO/EU intention.

This propaganda is a bit late, because even if it were true, the war is now on. Never mind that the EU was almost entirely dependent on Russian gas and oil. The EU was dumb enough to think they could destroy Russia militarily while hooked up to the Russian petrol pump.

And never mind these secret plans would be known (that is not pronounced know-en) by Left leaning governments and the peace and Labour movements that support them. Has anyone heard from European peace movement since the invasion?

So presuming the NATO/UKraine secret plan was a fact, Putin and his advisers have not been very astute in their estimations of the outcome, even with the benefit of the tardy Western support which has taken a year to coalesce. But now events are getting to the point where the propaganda doesn't matter anymore, and if the Russia Federation breaks up, you can blame who you like.

Russia has to pay for its war, Ukraine does not, to a great extent, certainly in lives. Putin admirers say that sanctions are not working. Well, you have to understand no one likes giving or losing money. Like Zelensky said, “Its not charity.” You can take that a couple of ways. Yes its the protection of Europe, but then you have the money men, and they are going to strangle someone for this situation, war or no war.

And then there is MH17. Was it part of NATO's secret plan? Russia shoots down an airliner with a BUC missile, killing 298 people, and they claim it was not their fault. That 298 figure fans out into a very large number of associates who have been at war from that day. If anyone believes NATO shot this plane down, go and tell the Netherlands, which lost 193 people.(and 27 Australians that you don't care about.)

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Reply #298 - May 28^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

Alas - I am too old to serve in the military but if I was younger -
I'd be the first over the top of the trench leading the charge towards the Russian positions -
bayonet at the ready for a jolly good stabbing of Russian vermin.

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Reply #299 - May 28^th, 2023 at 2:08pm

Bobby. wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 28^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

when are we expecting your enrollment in the ukrainian foreign legion

Alas - I am too old to serve in the military but if I was younger -
I'd be the first over the top of the trench leading the charge towards the Russian positions -
bayonet at the ready for a jolly good stabbing of Russian vermin.

Stabbing, or jabbing? Undecided

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