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Reply #210 - May 25^th, 2023 at 9:48am

The progress of the Ukraine war will be a choreographed result of diplomatic secret negotiations and political rule-setting.

Given the shoulder-patting that Zelensky got from Biden, Trudeau and Sunak etc, I'd bet they were signalling that Zelensky needed a sit-down with them to let him know who's in charge.

Whether it was about the Belgorod incident, other Ukrainian incursions into Russia, or something else, we may never find out, but one thing's for certain: the shoulder-rubbing, apparent camaraderie, shown to Zelensky was not reciprocated by him.

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Reply #212 - May 25^th, 2023 at 10:29am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

The progress of the Ukraine war will be a choreographed result of diplomatic secret negotiations and political rule-setting.

Given the shoulder-patting that Zelensky got from Biden, Trudeau and Sunak etc, I'd bet they were signalling that Zelensky needed a sit-down with them to let him know who's in charge.

Whether it was about the Belgorod incident, other Ukrainian incursions into Russia, or something else, we may never find out, but one thing's for certain: the shoulder-rubbing, apparent camaraderie, shown to Zelensky was not reciprocated by him.

I don't think the unreciprocated shoulder-pats are indicative what Zelensky may have on his mind. It would look pretty odd if he did. He did not even need to be there. Most of it was for the Chinese Communists' benefit. "You want us to arm Taiwan like this?"

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Reply #213 - May 25^th, 2023 at 10:36am

issuevoter wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

The progress of the Ukraine war will be a choreographed result of diplomatic secret negotiations and political rule-setting.

Given the shoulder-patting that Zelensky got from Biden, Trudeau and Sunak etc, I'd bet they were signalling that Zelensky needed a sit-down with them to let him know who's in charge.

Whether it was about the Belgorod incident, other Ukrainian incursions into Russia, or something else, we may never find out, but one thing's for certain: the shoulder-rubbing, apparent camaraderie, shown to Zelensky was not reciprocated by him.

I don't think the unreciprocated shoulder-pats are indicative what Zelensky may have on his mind. It would look pretty odd if he did. He did not even need to be there. Most of it was for the Chinese Communists' benefit. "You want us to arm Taiwan like this?"

Zelensky wasn't the one doing the shoulder-patting.

Shoulder-patting is a gesture indicating a power differential.

It involves an uninvited intrusion into the subject's personal space without the expectation or invitation to reciprocate.

If you note Zelensky's facial expressions, it appears they weren't about happiness to be there or a meeting of equals.

Sunak rubbed it in further by sitting across from Zelensky in the pose of a faithful pet dog - something that was likely by its intended mockery to humiliate Zelensky even more.

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Reply #214 - May 25^th, 2023 at 10:48am

It's probable that Zelensky's sudden summoning to the G7 was to warn him that incursions into Russia will no longer be tolerated - they break the diplomatic negotiation and political rule-setting NATO and Putin have agreed to.

The problem for Zelensky is that Kyiv likely does not control the southern far-right militant groups, the actions of which, as Ukraine's president and commander-in-chief, he is being held accountable for.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16038 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #215 - May 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am And why did France 'give him a ride' to Hiroshima? Did Macron draw the shortest straw, or lose at rock, paper, scissors? What was Macron signalling to Zelensky and the world? Was Macron giving a ride to a friend of France... Or a frenemy?
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Reply #216 - May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

Gotta better solution?

They want nukes.
Nukes for you, nukes for me, nukes will drop, then we'll be..... free, apparently... Shocked

I think there is some truth to that captain

The left live in this weird sort of destructive nihilistic frustrated unhappy vortex

You only have to look at the emotional state of those with trump derangement syndrome

They look like the sort of people who have no real purpose in living

And I think there is part of this psychology that craves an Armageddon

They probably should be careful what they wish for Tongue

The corporations that run these world events use it to keep humans focussed on dispair, while they change laws, implement new stratagies to make more profit at the cost of our freedom.

rockerfeller made a speech back in the late 80s early 90s thanking the media and its constituents for their desgression in allowing he, and his constituents to implement world changing practices.
rockerfeller did not have our best interests at heart, his only concern was profit and total control in making more profit.
If people were awake to this back then, we would have risen up and fought back.
Now we just keep getting our freedoms demolished.

Humans are addicted to being controlled.
Most obey without hesitation, and do not ask questions.
In fact, those that ask questions are silenced and labelled. It's the CIA playbook.

MK Ultra is alive and well.
Just watch who bites. They're sufferers and cannot see the truth because of their underlying fear.
The same people believe laws are for honest people, when in fact, laws protect criminals.

That post is worth studying for at least 5 years

Unfortunately thanks to addiction to mind-numbing social media
Thanks to addiction.to processed food which destroys critical thinking
Thanks to addiction.to the mainstream media who parrot a narrative of polarisation anxiety and depression
Thanks to big pharma who require you to be sick so they can farm you

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

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Reply #217 - May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

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Reply #218 - May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

define superior.

i think you can objectively say you are more physically and emotionally fit then average.
i think thats objectifiable.

but a chode may view wanking on weed as superior to running a small business and doing the kokoda trail as a holiday.

if so, good for him.

like i said to matty fisk.

many lefties view themselves through the lens of how others "like them"
they are a bit shakey and their basic question is "do you like me"

they cant understand the mindset of a trump or a putin who could not give a flying fig about that question.

its why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on the net directed at trump or putin says a lot about the people doing the gnashing .
mainly that they are reactive and time wasters with little direction in life.
they would actually be more productive if they spent their time wanking on weed Roll Eyes

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Reply #219 - May 25^th, 2023 at 12:27pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

define superior.

i think you can objectively say you are more physically and emotionally fit then average.
i think thats objectifiable.

but a chode may view wanking on weed as superior to running a small business and doing the kokoda trail as a holiday.

if so, good for him.

like i said to matty fisk.

many lefties view themselves through the lens of how others "like them"
they are a bit shakey and their basic question is "do you like me"

they cant understand the mindset of a trump or a putin who could not give a flying fig about that question.

Lol

That's what criminal defendant Trump lives for.

He has a voracious hunger to be liked.

"I know something about Donald Trump," Stern said on his radio show recently.

"He really does want to be loved, he does want people to really love him, that drives him a lot. I think he has a very sensitive ego. And when you’re president of the United States people are going to be very, very critica,l and I think in his mind right now he’s saying 'I want to protect the country'… I think his motive is 'People will love me because I’m going to keep terrorists out of the country.' I think he’s genuinely shocked when people come back and say, 'Wait a second, there’s more to this.'"

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Reply #220 - May 25^th, 2023 at 12:32pm

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

define superior.

i think you can objectively say you are more physically and emotionally fit then average.
i think thats objectifiable.

but a chode may view wanking on weed as superior to running a small business and doing the kokoda trail as a holiday.

if so, good for him.

So you've evaded the question, (What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?), with a strawman.

Feeling superior is what you feel when you have a sense of certainty that your thoughts, acts and deeds are of greater worth/ on higher moral/social ground, than another's.

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Reply #221 - May 25^th, 2023 at 1:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

There is really very little chance your average chode will understand

It's simpler for the average chode to just hand over his freedom to an authority figure
He is not so much enslaved as he voluntarily enters the prison cell and lock the door behind him
Valuing only safety and mediocrity

What makes you so sure you're not being manipulated into feeling superior to your average chode?

define superior.

i think you can objectively say you are more physically and emotionally fit then average.
i think thats objectifiable.

but a chode may view wanking on weed as superior to running a small business and doing the kokoda trail as a holiday.

if so, good for him.

like i said to matty fisk.

many lefties view themselves through the lens of how others "like them"
they are a bit shakey and their basic question is "do you like me"

they cant understand the mindset of a trump or a putin who could not give a flying fig about that question.

Lol

That's what criminal defendant Trump lives for.

He has a voracious hunger to be liked.

"I know something about Donald Trump," Stern said on his radio show recently.

"He really does want to be loved, he does want people to really love him, that drives him a lot. I think he has a very sensitive ego. And when you’re president of the United States people are going to be very, very critica,l and I think in his mind right now he’s saying 'I want to protect the country'… I think his motive is 'People will love me because I’m going to keep terrorists out of the country.' I think he’s genuinely shocked when people come back and say, 'Wait a second, there’s more to this.'"

i'd disagree with that

people like trudeau and clinton and obama want to be liked.

in trumps case, he seems a prickley bugger whose 'act' is "performative

he craves the limelight, but wanting to be liked?

no , he just wants to be noticed

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Reply #222 - May 25^th, 2023 at 1:53pm

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 9:16am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 5:16am:

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 12:21am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

What does Trump say?

Mr Trump says Europe is laughing at him, they think his administration was a bunch of jerks.

This has to be the most honest thing he's said yet. Everything else he said, from he got Europe to pay more to NATO to pretending he wants to save lives, is a hoax.

Your Dear Leader tried to hide a pandemic that killed more Americans than those killed in every war since Independence. He admitted that he tried to hush it up. Bob Woodward has it on tape.

Mr Trump says.

You?

Do you ever feel like Trump has rogered you?

Of course not. We were wised up from the beginning. We tried to set you straight too, remember?

Not easy, we're a little understaffed. I do feel we'd need a priest - and a conversion therapist.

You?

I think Trump has had a piece of you:

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Reply #224 - May 25^th, 2023 at 1:59pm

This article says Ukraine is winning?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/24/europe/wagner-prigozhin-russia-manpower-ukrai...

Wagner chief warns Russians could revolt if invasion continues to struggle

By Rob Picheta and Mariya Knight, CNN
Published 2:37 PM EDT, Wed May 24, 2023

CNN —

A new “revolution” could rock Russia if its stuttering war effort in Ukraine continues, the chief of private military group Wagner has said, in a scathing assessment of Moscow’s military readiness that could further expose divisions in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military hierarchy.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said in an interview with Konstantin Dolgov, a pro-Russian blogger, that Moscow’s troops are unprepared to resist forces loyal to Kyiv even when they enter Russian territory.

He also praised the capabilities of the Ukrainian army, and urged Moscow to escalate its war effort if it wants to avoid a long and costly conflict.

“I believe Ukrainians today are one of the strongest armies in the world,” Prigozhin said. He called Kyiv’s forces “highly organized, highly trained and their intelligence is on the highest level, they can operate any military system with equal success, a Soviet or a NATO one.”

In recent days Moscow suffered embarrassment when a group of anti-Putin Russians entered the Belgorod region in an incursion that caused anger and confusion among Russia’s influential military analysts. Asked about the incident, Prigozhin said Russian defense forces are “absolutely not ready to resist them in any shape or form.”

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