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Reply #180 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:46pm

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

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ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

if you solely rely on the western media.

ukraine is in rubble.
the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country
no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks
americas main response seems to have been for everyone on twitter to put the ukrainian flag in their bio.
putin will still be president long after biden quits (probably long after he dies)

i'd say it very smackimg humiliating, just how impotent the west is.

it should certainly embolden Xi

It's embarrassing that we don't leap into war with one of the biggest stockpilers of nuclear weapons?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #181 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. Wink

NATO won't risk non-Ukraianian pilots. If one is captured Russia would claim direct NATO engagement.

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

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Reply #182 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. Wink

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. Wink

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #183 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm

America gives a warning to Putin in Norway:

https://www.newsinenglish.no/2023/05/23/us-norway-show-force-in-north-sea/

May 23, 2023

The USS Gerald R Ford is the largest warship ever built.

It carries a crew of 4,500 Americans along with 75 fighter jets and,
more than a dozen helicopters and other attack vessels.

They’ve been lined up on deck since the aircraft carrier sailed from its homeport in Norfolk,
Virgina on May 2, arriving first in the Danish sector of the North Sea and
then the Norwegian on Monday afternoon.
It’s due to arrive in Oslo on Wednesday May 24, 2023.

Top Norwegian defense officials, the US ambassador to Norway and two Norwegian government ministers
were all on board when the US’ huge new aircraft carrier USS Gerald R Ford sailed through the North Sea bound for Oslo this week.
It was a major show of force that the Russian Embassy in Oslo quickly branded as “illogical” and damaging.

Others would remain on board for the military exercises.
Unlike during the British aircraft carrier’s visit, when local residents could walk right up to the also-huge vessel, security will be much tighter.
The defense department issued a long list of restrictions on Tuesday.
In addition to keeping boats 500-meters away while sailing in and out of Oslo,
they’ll be ordered to remain 1,000 kilometers away while the vessel is anchored up.

A no-fly zone

will be set up over the ship to an altitude of 3,000 feet and a wide area of the pier near the Akershus Fortress and Castle is due to be cordoned off.
Military guards will be out in force.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #184 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Russians, for the most part, deeply resent Ukrainian abandonment of Russian influence, notwithstanding that Russian territorial instincts have always been those of conquest and expansionism as a cure for their eternal paranoia of being invaded themselves.

Russians instil in their children stories of the 'times of troubles' (i.e. invasion) which end when a strongman rises to rid mother Russia of the invaders and saves Russia and the Russian people.

It's all good in the OLD WORLDS of Russia's resilience against adversities over there in 'the past'.
But there's a NEW WORLD that changes the game.
Both Russia and France will come to resent Australia's REPLACEMENT of them.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #185 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:51pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. Wink

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. Wink

Poland cannot get involved without dragging NATO into the conflict, so there'll be no NATO pilots flying those F-16s.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #186 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:52pm

Jasin wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Russians, for the most part, deeply resent Ukrainian abandonment of Russian influence, notwithstanding that Russian territorial instincts have always been those of conquest and expansionism as a cure for their eternal paranoia of being invaded themselves.

Russians instil in their children stories of the 'times of troubles' (i.e. invasion) which end when a strongman rises to rid mother Russia of the invaders and saves Russia and the Russian people.

It's all good in the OLD WORLDS of Russia's resilience against adversities over there in 'the past'.
But there's a NEW WORLD that changes the game.
Both Russia and France will come to resent Australia's REPLACEMENT of them.

Cultural instinct doesn't change in a year.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #187 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:54pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. Wink

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. Wink

Poland cannot get involved without dragging NATO into the conflict, so there'll be no NATO pilots flying those F-16s.

Poland won't tell anyone. Wink

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #188 - May 24^th, 2023 at 7:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

Jasin wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Russians, for the most part, deeply resent Ukrainian abandonment of Russian influence, notwithstanding that Russian territorial instincts have always been those of conquest and expansionism as a cure for their eternal paranoia of being invaded themselves.

Russians instil in their children stories of the 'times of troubles' (i.e. invasion) which end when a strongman rises to rid mother Russia of the invaders and saves Russia and the Russian people.

It's all good in the OLD WORLDS of Russia's resilience against adversities over there in 'the past'.
But there's a NEW WORLD that changes the game.
Both Russia and France will come to resent Australia's REPLACEMENT of them.

Cultural instinct doesn't change in a year.

No it doesn't.
222 years and the Abo's are still finding it hard - to 'change'.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #189 - May 24^th, 2023 at 7:16pm

Check out this clip of a Bushmaster Vehicle demo.
As its going through a puddle of water it starts to smoke and the right blinker comes on, although its forced to pull to the left suddenly and stop. Grin

Yeah - given em to Ukraine. Grin

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=australian+bushmaster+in+action&&view=detai...

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #190 - May 24^th, 2023 at 8:07pm

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

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ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

if you solely rely on the western media.

ukraine is in rubble.
the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country
no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks
americas main response seems to have been for everyone on twitter to put the ukrainian flag in their bio.
putin will still be president long after biden quits (probably long after he dies)

i'd say it very smackimg humiliating, just how impotent the west is.

it should certainly embolden Xi

Not just humiliated, dear, thoroughly rogered.

A so-called superpower invades its nearest neighbour and gets forced back to the fringes.

Then, piece by piece, forced into retreat from that. Banished from the world, up for crimes against humanity, GDP growth back to 1990s levels, and an entire generation forced into the meatgrinder - or exile.

One thing we know, Aquascoot, you sure can pick the losing side.

Ever get the feeling you've been plundered?

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Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly.
Reply #191 - May 24^th, 2023 at 8:24pm

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. Wink

I'd bet Ukrainian pilots have already been trained on F-16s.

It takes 18 months to be any good.
Plenty of Polish pilots would be qualified -
the Poles are itching to get involved.
You heard it first from brave Bobby. Wink

Poland cannot get involved without dragging NATO into the conflict, so there'll be no NATO pilots flying those F-16s.

Poland won't tell anyone. Wink

Poland doesn't need to.

I'd bet all that delay in approving F-16s in Ukraine was for the time they needed to train Ukrainian pilots.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112925 Melbourne Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #192 - May 24^th, 2023 at 8:42pm What does Trump say?
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #193 - May 24^th, 2023 at 9:05pm If Ukraine is losing "badly," Russia is not exactly winning all that well either. The Kinzhal hyper-sonic melodrama is helping us understand why.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112925 Melbourne Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #194 - May 24^th, 2023 at 10:01pm issuevoter wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 9:05pm: If Ukraine is losing "badly," Russian is not exactly winning all that well either. The Kinzhal hyper-sonic melodrama is helping us understand why. Good video - in Russia if you design a missile that doesn't work well you get charged with treason.
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