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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 53070 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #165 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm: freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm: It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right. But Jesus said we should love our enemies and we should turn the other cheek. Jesus was Gay and showed both his cheeks in the name of loving his fellow men.
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Reply #166 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:34pm

Jasin wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

Jesus was Gay and showed both his cheeks in the name of loving his fellow men.

That's blasphemy. Shocked

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Reply #167 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:41pm

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm:

Meister, you are wasting your time on fools. Their arguments are relativist, just as the liberals are about Islamic atrocities, while their actual beliefs are a childish admiration for the straight-face Russian tough guy poses which they translate into strength of character.

whats fascinating is it was always the right (people like regan) who whipped up anti russian sentiment and the left (people like bernie sanders) who defended russia , even going there for his honeymoon in bernies case.

now because of some false propaganda by hilary that donald and vlad were mates, we have the left apoplectic with rage against vlad and the right calling for biden to stop sending military aid.

very bizarre .

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population and the west is only sending the ukranians their ordnance which has a use by date , so they can cash up on resupply.

The one thing we know about your predictions, Aquascoot:

You change them. The Superior Man plays the old switcheroo, he likes a good story, him no speaka da English, spitballing.

And the other thing we know:

Putin can't possibly win. Even you know this, dear, you just can't bring yourself to say.

Yes, Master.

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Reply #168 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 11:24pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 8:58pm:

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in order for them to win an attritional victory (absurd) they have to be killing 5 russians for every 1 ukrainian

Depending on which estimates you use, they are killing between 1 and 20 Russian troops for every Ukrainian.

Why does it need to be a conventional attritional victory? When was the last war that was decided on those terms?

they aren't. this is insane and retarded. relying on official MoD statements (on either side) or disseminated western "intelligence" is brainless.

the only real genuine evidence we have of russian losses come from a bbc research adjunct with a reasonable and empirically bassed metholodogy and they are not that high. roughly what you would extrapolate from estimates of artillery quantities on both sides.

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Why does it need to be a conventional attritional victory? When was the last war that was decided on those terms?

already addressed that. i said ukraine's only 'realistic' pathway to victory is political. it is possible but certainly no base case.

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Reply #169 - May 24^th, 2023 at 12:07pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:34pm:

Jasin wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

It's war Bobby. It's not meant to be right.

But Jesus said we should love our enemies and
we should turn the other cheek.

Jesus was Gay and showed both his cheeks in the name of loving his fellow men.

That's blasphemy. Shocked

You put your faith in a pillow-biter Bobby.
Can you see the irony of it?

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Reply #170 - May 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm

Karnal wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm:

Meister, you are wasting your time on fools. Their arguments are relativist, just as the liberals are about Islamic atrocities, while their actual beliefs are a childish admiration for the straight-face Russian tough guy poses which they translate into strength of character.

whats fascinating is it was always the right (people like regan) who whipped up anti russian sentiment and the left (people like bernie sanders) who defended russia , even going there for his honeymoon in bernies case.

now because of some false propaganda by hilary that donald and vlad were mates, we have the left apoplectic with rage against vlad and the right calling for biden to stop sending military aid.

very bizarre .

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population and the west is only sending the ukranians their ordnance which has a use by date , so they can cash up on resupply.

The one thing we know about your predictions, Aquascoot:

You change them. The Superior Man plays the old switcheroo, he likes a good story, him no speaka da English, spitballing.

And the other thing we know:

Putin can't possibly win. Even you know this, dear, you just can't bring yourself to say.

Yes, Master.

define winning?

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

sounds like winning to me

russian flag at bakhmut

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Reply #171 - May 24^th, 2023 at 1:08pm

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:12pm:

Meister, you are wasting your time on fools. Their arguments are relativist, just as the liberals are about Islamic atrocities, while their actual beliefs are a childish admiration for the straight-face Russian tough guy poses which they translate into strength of character.

whats fascinating is it was always the right (people like regan) who whipped up anti russian sentiment and the left (people like bernie sanders) who defended russia , even going there for his honeymoon in bernies case.

now because of some false propaganda by hilary that donald and vlad were mates, we have the left apoplectic with rage against vlad and the right calling for biden to stop sending military aid.

very bizarre .

but the fact remains, putin will prevail in the ukraine.

he simply had too many artillery shells and a much bigger population and the west is only sending the ukranians their ordnance which has a use by date , so they can cash up on resupply.

The one thing we know about your predictions, Aquascoot:

You change them. The Superior Man plays the old switcheroo, he likes a good story, him no speaka da English, spitballing.

And the other thing we know:

Putin can't possibly win. Even you know this, dear, you just can't bring yourself to say.

Yes, Master.

define winning?

ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

sounds like winning to me

russian flag at bakhmut

It's got nothing to do with "the West", dear. It's about national SoVeReIgNtY.

Remember? That's one of those universal values you once cherished, along with Brexit and building a wall from coast to shining coast.

As Zalensky just pointed out in Hiroshima, protecting Ukraine is about protecting every nation's right to survive, including Mother Russia's. We stand with Ukraine not just on principle, but a universal right.

When they came for the commies, we stood up and said ah. When they came for the Boongs we said ee. When they come for the Chows, we'll say ow. And yes, when they come for you, we'll say oo.

You?

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #172 - May 24^th, 2023 at 5:25pm After half a century of warning the world about the Russian government, rabid right-wingers in the 21st Century are embracing it .
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #173 - May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm Quote: ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated? Humiliated how? Russia is the only country being humiliated.
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Reply #174 - May 24^th, 2023 at 5:54pm

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

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ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

I think he means that besides Russia 'going down'
and China in a Political/Military sense - is 'going down',
but the 'Democrat/Left (Gay/Trans/etc) Political/Media' ALLIANCE is also 'going down' with them.

I mean, when Trump turned up for America for a 'Political' fight - China suddenly caught a nasty 'Flu' and couldn't turn up for 'that' kinda political fight. Wink

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Reply #175 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:19pm

Russians, for the most part, deeply resent Ukrainian abandonment of Russian influence, notwithstanding that Russian territorial instincts have always been those of conquest and expansionism as a cure for their eternal paranoia of being invaded themselves.

Russians instil in their children stories of the 'times of troubles' (i.e. invasion) which end when a strongman rises to rid mother Russia of the invaders and saves Russia and the Russian people.

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Reply #176 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:25pm

America gives a warning to Putin in Norway:

https://www.newsinenglish.no/2023/05/23/us-norway-show-force-in-north-sea/

May 23, 2023

The USS Gerald R Ford is the largest warship ever built.

It carries a crew of 4,500 Americans along with 75 fighter jets and,
more than a dozen helicopters and other attack vessels.

They’ve been lined up on deck since the aircraft carrier sailed from its homeport in Norfolk,
Virgina on May 2, arriving first in the Danish sector of the North Sea and
then the Norwegian on Monday afternoon.
It’s due to arrive in Oslo on Wednesday May 24, 2023.

Top Norwegian defense officials, the US ambassador to Norway and two Norwegian government ministers
were all on board when the US’ huge new aircraft carrier USS Gerald R Ford sailed through the North Sea bound for Oslo this week.
It was a major show of force that the Russian Embassy in Oslo quickly branded as “illogical” and damaging.

Others would remain on board for the military exercises.
Unlike during the British aircraft carrier’s visit, when local residents could walk right up to the also-huge vessel, security will be much tighter.
The defense department issued a long list of restrictions on Tuesday.
In addition to keeping boats 500-meters away while sailing in and out of Oslo,
they’ll be ordered to remain 1,000 kilometers away while the vessel is anchored up.

A no-fly zone

will be set up over the ship to an altitude of 3,000 feet and a wide area of the pier near the Akershus Fortress and Castle is due to be cordoned off.
Military guards will be out in force.

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Reply #177 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

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ukraine in ruins and the west humiliated?

Humiliated how?

Russia is the only country being humiliated.

if you solely rely on the western media.

ukraine is in rubble.
the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country
no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks
americas main response seems to have been for everyone on twitter to put the ukrainian flag in their bio.
putin will still be president long after biden quits (probably long after he dies)

i'd say it very smackimg humiliating, just how impotent the west is.

it should certainly embolden Xi

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16038 Gender:	Re: expert - says Ukraine is losing the war badly. Reply #178 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm: the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks 10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.
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Reply #179 - May 24^th, 2023 at 6:44pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

the poles want to close the border and are complaining of the ukrainification of their country

no european country will sned anything more then old mothballed tanks

10 to 1 those F-16s will be coming from Poland.

And with secret Polish pilots. Wink

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