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Reply #825 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 1:25pm

I can see aquascoot's struggling to come up with something to refute what I've posted.

Again.

I don't think he actually reads any of the articles that I post links to.

That's how one should be staying informed, reading articles from real medical people, not charlatans like John Gerrard who will only tell you what the government and big business want him to say.

Speaking of being informed - I like the latest comeback I saw posted by someone on X (formerly Twitter) the other day for when someone asks them why they're still wearing a mask:

Random unmasked person: "Why are you still wearing a mask, are you living in fear?"

Masked person:"I'm not living in fear - I'm living informed."

Can't wait to use that one myself if and when someone is brave enough to ask why I'm still masking in shops, etc. (no one has so far).

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Reply #826 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 2:01pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 1:25pm:

I can see aquascoot's struggling to come up with something to refute what I've posted.

Again.

I don't think he actually reads any of the articles that I post links to.

That's how one should be staying informed, reading articles from real medical people, not charlatans like John Gerrard who will only tell you what the government and big business want him to say.

Speaking of being informed - I like the latest comeback I saw posted by someone on X (formerly Twitter) the other day for when someone asks them why they're still wearing a mask:

Random unmasked person: "Why are you still wearing a mask, are you living in fear?"

Masked person:"I'm not living in fear - I'm living informed."

Can't wait to use that one myself if and when someone is brave enough to ask why I'm still masking in shops, etc. (no one has so far).

true

people tend to steer clear of weirdos

i notice you have called dr gerard a charlatan, yet again

have you read his cv

Dr Gerrard has a long track record of research into emerging infectious diseases and vaccine development.

He was recognised for ground-breaking research into the emergence of AIDS in Australia and honoured with the Humanitarian Overseas Service medal for his work in confronting the Ebola outbreak in West Africa in 2014.

Dr Gerrard was the medical specialist lead in two separate international COVID responses – one aboard the Diamond Princess in Japan in February 2020 and the other in the Dutch Antilles in early 2021.

He was instrumental in designing the Gold Coast University Hospital to manage patients with highly infectious viruses like COVID.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #827 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 3:18pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 11:35pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

Even Dr. Gerrard has stated that the term "Long Covid" should be scrapped. And, he explains why.

"Using this term long COVID implies this virus has some unique, exceptional and sinister property that differentiates it from other viruses," Dr John Gerrard said.".

Yes. Yes he did.

And then this happened...

Queensland health apologises over Long Covid comments

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Queensland Health has apologised over any distress caused by comments made by the state's Chief Health Officer calling for the term ‘Long Covid' to be scrapped. John Gerrard earlier this month said that identifying Covid as a sinister or unique virus was “doing more harm than good”.

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Queensland's Acting Chief Health Officer this weekend apologised for the distress caused by the research, telling 9News in a statement that it wasn't the intention. Gerrard could not be reached for comment.

No, of course he couldn't. No surprise there. Roll Eyes

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:54pm:

But let me ask you just one question, which will make everything about "Long Covid" mute. Out of the almost 12M cases of Covid-19 in Australia since 25 Jan. 2020, just how many Australians have actually died from "Long Covid"??

The issue here isn't how many have died from "Long Covid". The issue is how many have been so badly affected by it causing many of them to be no longer able to work (or shop and take holidays, etc.) to support the pollies' precious economy.

I don't know the number for Australia at the moment but right now in the UK it's about 2 million people and rising.

In the UK, if Covid-19 is listed as one of the causes on your death certificate, then you died of Covid-19. The primary cause of death becomes irrelevant. This includes those who had not been tested for the virus prior to their death.

In other words, if you're brought into the hospital without a head, and you test positive for Covid-19, you'll be counted as a covid-19 death. Not sure where you got the 2M deaths and counting from. As of April 13, 2024 there have been,

24,910,387 Covid-19 cases
22,954,691 Covid-19 recoveries
232,112 Covid-19 related deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk

The issue and only issue here, is the mortality rate of this disease. The numbers of those infected is huge, but so are the numbers of recoveries.

Although I'm certain that there is at least ONE person, who may have died directly from "long covid". I can't find it. However, finding covid-related deaths and cases is everywhere.

I agree that the negative impact of "long covid" on the economy is very real. But it pales in comparison with the damage done to the economy, by the governments useless and ineffective policies.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #828 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 3:39pm

Yes, Dr. John Gerrard does have some impressive qualifications.

And, if he wasn't being 'manipulated' by Steven 'Giggles' Miles (and Annastacia Palaszczuk before him) I'm sure Dr. Gerrard would have used his qualifications to improve peoples' health instead of doing something like this:

Queenslanders told spread of COVID strain of Omicron is 'necessary'

And this:

Queensland chief health officer confirms COVID-19 wave, but says mask mandate would be 'disproportionate'

And a few more that I can't be bothered looking for at the moment.

I mean, a man with his impressive medical qualifications must know that SARS-CoV-2 was (and still is) classified as a Level 3 Biohazard, shouldn't he?

I don't have any medical qualifications but I do know what this virus is and what it is capable of doing (and has been doing for over 4 years now).

But, I'm also not being manipulated by stupid politicians (and big business) like Dr. Gerrard is.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36187 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #829 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:52pm so carl knows better then dr gerrard? talk about deluded
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #830 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:19pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:

so carl knows better then dr gerrard?

talk about deluded Roll Eyes

*sigh*

I believe it's time to give up. Way past time, actually.

What I do know is - I could probably have a more intelligent and productive discussion with the average preschooler than I'm having here with you right now.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 49229 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #831 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:48pm Keep on fighting the good fight Carl! I, at least, appreciate it.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #832 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 8:31pm vaccine injured speak out: Jun 17, 2024 Just a few days ago Kara was in Canberra to give us her testimony in our Excess Mortality inquiry. The United Australia Party will keep pushing this issue until those responsible are held accountable.
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #833 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 5:09am

i would consider the number of vaccine cripples to be the same as the number of long covid cripples

very very small and insignificiant

covids main damage was to peoples fear centres in the brain

turning a mild respiratory illness or a mild jab in the arm into some sort of boogey man

its childish behaviour

fear of the unknown

i bet all these people are afriad of the dark Roll Eyes

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #834 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 10:38am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

Keep on fighting the good fight Carl!

I, at least, appreciate it.

Thanks JM.

But, it is getting more and more difficult trying to talk some sense into people like...

... aquascoot on the one hand who is either totally ignorant or just trolling.

... and Bobby on the other hand who seems to have gone so far down the rabbit hole of antivaxxer conspiracy nonsense that I doubt he is ever going to be able to find his way out.

But, I'll make the effort to keep "fighting the good fight".

And I also appreciate the efforts of SadKangaroo and greggerypeccary. Thanks guys.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #835 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

Keep on fighting the good fight Carl!

I, at least, appreciate it.

Thanks JM.

But, it is getting more and more difficult trying to talk some sense into people like...

... aquascoot on the one hand who is either totally ignorant or just trolling.

... and Bobby on the other hand who seems to have gone so far down the rabbit hole of antivaxxer conspiracy nonsense that I doubt he is ever going to be able to find his way out.

But, I'll make the effort to keep "fighting the good fight".

And I also appreciate the efforts of SadKangaroo and greggerypeccary. Thanks guys.

totally ignorant for defending the highly qualifed qld chief health officer who holds multiple degrees in infectious diseases

and carl who defends a guy who was reprimanded by the medical board for lying on social media (dr berger)

Grin

you cant make this stuff up

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9967 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #836 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:23pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 12:34pm: you cant make this stuff up Well, apparently you can because you've just done it. As usual.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 49229 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #837 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:29pm LOL, poor Scoot, giving Booby a run for “Biggest idiot of OzPol.”
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #838 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:35pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

Keep on fighting the good fight Carl!

I, at least, appreciate it.

Thanks JM.

But, it is getting more and more difficult trying to talk some sense into people like...

... aquascoot on the one hand who is either totally ignorant or just trolling.

... and Bobby on the other hand who seems to have gone so far down the rabbit hole of antivaxxer conspiracy nonsense that I doubt he is ever going to be able to find his way out.

But, I'll make the effort to keep "fighting the good fight".

And I also appreciate the efforts of SadKangaroo and greggerypeccary. Thanks guys.

There's something else I just don't understand.

When the government was creating legislation to violate the peoples' civil liberties and privacy, you supported their actions.

When the government mandated that people keep 2 meters apart, and must wear masks outdoors(even while driving), you supported their actions.

When the government told the members of the Healthcare, Building and Construction, and Education industries that they all must be vaccinated, or look for another job, you supported their actions.

When the government mandated people to carry and present Covid-19 status cards, in order to enter shops, businesses, theaters, or even to dine out, you totally supported their actions.

When the government told people that wearing masks and being vaccinated WOULD prevent them from becoming infected, you believed their every word.

When the government was fining and arresting people for not wearing masks(or distancing), and the states started hiring thugs to break-up private parties and home gatherings, you still supported their actions.

When the government was fining, and closing down thousands of small businesses for medical non-compliance, you still supported their actions!

When the government started initiating curfews in certain communities, and designated other coommunites as "hot spots", you supported their actions.

When the government closed down our national/international borders, you agreed with and supported their actions.

When the government used taxpayer's money to builld covid-19 detention centers and other holding facilities, you still supported their actions.

Even when the government's lies, misinformation, and omissions were exposed, you still stuck by the government.

SO, WHY AREN'T YOU STILL SUPPORTING, AND PARROTING THEIR NEW DIRECTION NOW?!!!

This is a real disease. And, it can be fatal to people in the high-risk categories. But a simple cold/flu can also be fatal to them.

The government realized that its restrictive policies were doing more harm to the nation, than this virus ever could! And, that nothing man can do will stop people from being infected by a virus!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #839 - Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm ShellShilo wrote on Jun 20^th, 2024 at 3:35pm: ... nothing man can do will stop people from being infected by a virus! When was the last time you met someone with polio?
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