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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36318 Gender:	Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia Reply #780 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:33pm carl i do believe you spend more time thinking about covid, then gweg spends thinking about trumps penis both seem unhealthy habits
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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #781 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:37pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

And, of the few that do know I'm sure the majority of them couldn't care less (including at least 2 regular posters here).

Tragic and disgraceful.

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aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:33pm:

carl

i do believe you spend more time thinking about covid, then gweg spends thinking about trumps penis

both seem unhealthy habits Cry

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #782 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:55pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:37pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

And, of the few that do know I'm sure the majority of them couldn't care less (including at least 2 regular posters here).

Tragic and disgraceful.

And, right on cue... here's the first...

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:33pm:

carl

i do believe you spend more time thinking about covid, then gweg spends thinking about trumps penis

both seem unhealthy habits Cry

carl,

you've already admitted 99 % of people couldnt care less

we live in a democracy

whats your problem ?

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #783 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 6:07pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:55pm:

carl,

you've already admitted 99 % of people couldnt care less

we live in a democracy

whats your problem ?

My biggest problem right now is trying to work out why someone like you isn't a politician... because you certainly have a 'talent' for it.

Perhaps you could get a job writing press releases for your hero, John "Dr. Death"/"Lex Luthor" Gerrard?

You missed your calling in life, of that I'm certain.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #784 - Jun 15^th, 2024 at 8:50am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:55pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:37pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

And, of the few that do know I'm sure the majority of them couldn't care less (including at least 2 regular posters here).

Tragic and disgraceful.

And, right on cue... here's the first...

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:33pm:

carl

i do believe you spend more time thinking about covid, then gweg spends thinking about trumps penis

both seem unhealthy habits Cry

carl,

you've already admitted 99 % of people couldnt care less

we live in a democracy

whats your problem ?

The problem is intention.

You wanted, let me repeat that, wanted the elderly to die so young men could get their dicks wet and you could get on the piss away from the wife, all while at the same time advocating against every measure from wearing masks to social distancing that would have allowed less restriction on movement while also trying to help reduce the spread and protect the most vulnerable as much as possible during the height of COVID when we knew the least about it.

The goal was always the hope that the strains would weaken over time, with a mix of the natural life cycle, reduced transmissions and mutation chance thanks to mitigation efforts and the high coverage from vaccines to reduce the lengths and severity of infections so it would become like a seasonal flu.

The elderly and at risk would still die, but lockdowns and mitigation efforts would be a thing of the past.

But you didn't care about the elderly other than wanting them to die for trivial things early on, to now.

Other people, much more in the 99%, have far more humanity than you and while they will accept these deaths in the same way as we do the seasonal flu numbers, they won't revel in it as part of trying to win an online argument such as yourself.

Intention matters.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #785 - Jun 15^th, 2024 at 12:50pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 15^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:55pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:37pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

And, of the few that do know I'm sure the majority of them couldn't care less (including at least 2 regular posters here).

Tragic and disgraceful.

And, right on cue... here's the first...

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:33pm:

carl

i do believe you spend more time thinking about covid, then gweg spends thinking about trumps penis

both seem unhealthy habits Cry

carl,

you've already admitted 99 % of people couldnt care less

we live in a democracy

whats your problem ?

The problem is intention.

You wanted, let me repeat that, wanted the elderly to die so young men could get their dicks wet and you could get on the piss away from the wife, all while at the same time advocating against every measure from wearing masks to social distancing that would have allowed less restriction on movement while also trying to help reduce the spread and protect the most vulnerable as much as possible during the height of COVID when we knew the least about it.

The goal was always the hope that the strains would weaken over time, with a mix of the natural life cycle, reduced transmissions and mutation chance thanks to mitigation efforts and the high coverage from vaccines to reduce the lengths and severity of infections so it would become like a seasonal flu.

The elderly and at risk would still die, but lockdowns and mitigation efforts would be a thing of the past.

But you didn't care about the elderly other than wanting them to die for trivial things early on, to now.

Other people, much more in the 99%, have far more humanity than you and while they will accept these deaths in the same way as we do the seasonal flu numbers, they won't revel in it as part of trying to win an online argument such as yourself.

Intention matters.

harsh and unfair

you say "intention'

i say "priorities"

and children and teenagers, their school experience, the ability to play team sports and participate in rites of passage are a bigger priority then the elderly.

children are more important then old people and i get tired of the living treasures lies that are told

many elderly are put away and ignored and lead miserable lives of decay and would welcome covid.

its a bit rich that people who probably put their oldies in nursing homes because they are a nuisance, then try to act morally superior by calling them "our most precious generation"

i'm happy to call out hypocricy.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #787 - Jun 15^th, 2024 at 2:48pm

It is an evolutionary disadvantage for any virus to kill its host. It needs its host to pass itself on to other hosts.

Our immune system will attack any pathogen that enters the body. But, these antibodies will also attack and destroy any normal cells/tissues that get in the way to the pathogen. This also causes bacterial infections, which also must be addressed.

It is a physiological fact that our immune system changes as we age. It tends to either overreact or underreact to pathogens as we age. Corticosteroid drugs are used for an overactive immune system. And, antibodies/immunoglobulin therapy are used for an underactive immune system.

Since viruses(unlike bacteria) are found INSIDE the cells/tissues, these cells will be attacked and destroyed as well. And, the more cells/tissues destroyed, the weaker the functioning of the organ. Eventully, the organ will shut down!

I believe that it is a tragedy and a blessing, that those being kept alive on drugs, with multiple comorbidities and other chronic illnesses, will no longer continue to suffer.

Keeping someone alive to watch themselves decay physically and mentally, and knowing they can no longer function normally in society, is definitely the OPPOSITE of humanity.

Because of their compromised immune system, our elderly will continue to die because of the "complications" from ANY pathogen.

Using the "elderly guillt card" will not change this medical/social reality.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #788 - Jun 16^th, 2024 at 3:47pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 15^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

The problem is intention.

You wanted, let me repeat that, wanted the elderly to die so young men could get their dicks wet and you could get on the piss away from the wife, all while at the same time advocating against every measure from wearing masks to social distancing that would have allowed less restriction on movement while also trying to help reduce the spread and protect the most vulnerable as much as possible during the height of COVID when we knew the least about it.

The goal was always the hope that the strains would weaken over time, with a mix of the natural life cycle, reduced transmissions and mutation chance thanks to mitigation efforts and the high coverage from vaccines to reduce the lengths and severity of infections so it would become like a seasonal flu.

The elderly and at risk would still die, but lockdowns and mitigation efforts would be a thing of the past.

But you didn't care about the elderly other than wanting them to die for trivial things early on, to now.

Other people, much more in the 99%, have far more humanity than you and while they will accept these deaths in the same way as we do the seasonal flu numbers, they won't revel in it as part of trying to win an online argument such as yourself.

Intention matters.

Are you saying that the government was 'intentionally" stupid?

Did you think that any government could keep 26M people 1.5m apart indefinitely? Could any government force 26M people to wear useless masks(even Kindy kids), but take them off to eat drink and sleep, indefinitely?

How about the closing down of small businesses, or forcing people to get jabbed? How about carrying a medical ID, to be allowed in restaurants and other venues? Then closing down international and national borders, schools, parks, beaches, weddings, funerals, etc.? This is clearly extreme ignorance and overreach.

Does any rational mind think that man could physically prevent anyone from catching a cold(all are coronaviruses)? Then why did they think they could prevent anyone from being infected with THIS virus?

If the government was really serious about prevention, they would've issued every man woman and child their own self-contained Hazmat suit. Or, at least to those in the high-risk categories.

The government's only intention was to "one-up" the rest of the world! There was never a chance that any of their restrictive measures would prevent jack!

If you are going to blame the government for each new death, then you must also praise the government for each recovery as well. And, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is already a weaker version of the original SARS virus! And, so are all of its variants(less virulent).

This was all a media-manufactured viral hype from the beginning. At least the government now knows just how far it can go the next time. Once people started seeing just how many people were recovering(vaccinated or not), the jig was up!

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Reply #789 - Jun 16^th, 2024 at 5:27pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

And, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is already a weaker version of the original SARS virus! And, so are all of its variants(less virulent).

Citation needed.

Thank you.

Oh, and I don't mean 'proof' like that South African doctor saying "Omicron is mild" in late 2021 which started the whole "Covid is nothing to worry about anymore, it's just a cold" BS (which governments, business and the media gleefully 'pounced on' and they've run with it ever since).

And that's also why every variant since has been called Omicron. In fact, we should have been through the whole Greek alphabet by now if it hadn't been for that mistake.

Also, if the number of Covid deaths has been lower lately it's probably only because millions of the elderly and vulnerable have already been 'taken out' worldwide by Covid.

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #790 - Jun 16^th, 2024 at 6:15pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

Are you saying that the government was 'intentionally" stupid?

Did you think that any government could keep 26M people 1.5m apart indefinitely? Could any government force 26M people to wear useless masks(even Kindy kids), but take them off to eat drink and sleep, indefinitely?

How about the closing down of small businesses, or forcing people to get jabbed? How about carrying a medical ID, to be allowed in restaurants and other venues? Then closing down international and national borders, schools, parks, beaches, weddings, funerals, etc.? This is clearly extreme ignorance and overreach.

Does any rational mind think that man could physically prevent anyone from catching a cold(all are coronaviruses)? Then why did they think they could prevent anyone from being infected with THIS virus?

If the government was really serious about prevention, they would've issued every man woman and child their own self-contained Hazmat suit. Or, at least to those in the high-risk categories.

The government's only intention was to "one-up" the rest of the world! There was never a chance that any of their restrictive measures would prevent jack!

If you are going to blame the government for each new death, then you must also praise the government for each recovery as well. And, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is already a weaker version of the original SARS virus! And, so are all of its variants(less virulent).

This was all a media-manufactured viral hype from the beginning. At least the government now knows just how far it can go the next time. Once people started seeing just how many people were recovering(vaccinated or not), the jig was up!

I was never talking about the government, I was referring to posters here, what they were advocating for, and why they were doing it.

You're in the privileged position of hindsight and are lucky that you're not looking back, had things gone differently and you're not complaining that the Government didn't do enough or worse, not around to complain at all.

Nothing would please you because you don't like being told what to do, and if you weren't told what to do, the virus was much worse and it killed a significant portion of the population as it was allowed to run wild, you'd be complaining that the Government didn't tell others what to do.

It's those like you who liken outlawing drink driving and being forced to wear a seatbelt or a bike helmet to an authoritarian communist state.

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Reply #792 - Jun 16^th, 2024 at 11:24pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

And, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is already a weaker version of the original SARS virus! And, so are all of its variants(less virulent).

Citation needed.

Thank you.

Oh, and I don't mean 'proof' like that South African doctor saying "Omicron is mild" in late 2021 which started the whole "Covid is nothing to worry about anymore, it's just a cold" BS (which governments, business and the media gleefully 'pounced on' and they've run with it ever since).

And that's also why every variant since has been called Omicron. In fact, we should have been through the whole Greek alphabet by now if it hadn't been for that mistake.

Also, if the number of Covid deaths has been lower lately it's probably only because millions of the elderly and vulnerable have already been 'taken out' worldwide by Covid.

Or, it could be becaused of 'herd immunity'(not enough uninfected people to infect). Most likely!

Look, you might be 100% correct in your concerns. And, I could be 100% wrong. But you can't just dismiss the concerns of others with some silly social label. Or just ridicule their questions as being irrelevant.

With no more than a cursory understanding of basic immunology, human physiology, biochemistry, virology, and epidemiology, your opinions will be far from informed. And, from reading your parroted posts, I'd say that you are not very informed on the subject.

Without this background understanding of how the body works, or how the body defends itself, it will be very difficult to defend your position. You must cut copy and past what others say.

Simply stating that the survivor rate of this virus is 99.9%(vaccinated or not), should've ended any argument about the severity of this virus. Even the government stop posting this stat. It would've completely undermined its anxiety and fear campaign.

Keeping people anxiety-ridden and fearfull, would justify their suspension of civil liberties, and in almost destroying the country's economy. They couldn't do this if people knew that this virus is less severe than the measles?

Remember, just because a virus mutates doesn't mean that it will become more virulent. Historically, mutated viruses are generally less severe than the original.

Remember, viral mutations are mainly to avoid detection from the host's immune system. Or, to be able to replicate faster. These are more important than killing the host.

Anyway, here's a few websites you might want to take a look at.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/How-does-SARS-CoV-2-Compare-to-SARS-CoV.aspx

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9436716/#:~:text=SARS%2DCoV%2D2%20binding%20affinity,exposed%20than%20SARS%2DCoV%20RBD.

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars#severity

From Massachusetts General Hopital, and Harvard Medical School.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/14/1072504127/fact-check-the-theory-that-sars-cov-2-is-becoming-milder

Omicron the latest and the least virulent.

https://enviromicro-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1751-7915.14064

Will the SARS-CoV-2 virus evolve to become more/less deadly? Historically, it will be less virulent!

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/will-covid-19-evolve-be-more-or-less-deadly

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Re: People are still dying of Covid19 in Australia
Reply #793 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 8:31am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

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That's a cop-out by those who were failed by the education system.

Your opinion is not worth the same as researched and proven fact.

I know it might seem that way because the morning news shows often have some housewife or random from the street sitting opposite an expert in their field for "balance" but it doesn't make each of their conclusions worth the same thing.

You complain when your option isn't listed to because it's been proven unfounded and rather than looking within and questioning your beliefs when reality says you're wrong, you invent conspiracy to justify being stubborn.

It doesn't mean as we learn more, evidence can't change and be updated which may support a gut feeling you've had in the past, or a justification used to fight against being told what to do, but that's just luck.

Your gut feelings aren't evidence.

Although I'm glad that the passing of time has proven some of your gut feelings to justify your tantrums over not wanting to wear a mask, needing to escape the wife and kids or generally being told what to do turned out to not be too far-fetched.

What is scary though is if we face another more dangerous pandemic in our lifetimes, which I sincerely hope not, more people will react like you did during COVID in greater numbers and it will be the end of us.

I'm just hoping in this nightmare scenario there are steps individuals can take to protect themselves and it's only those who nominate and compete in the Herman Cain Awards who win them.

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Reply #794 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:25pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 8:31am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

for skip

That's a cop-out by those who were failed by the education system.

Your opinion is not worth the same as researched and proven fact.

I know it might seem that way because the morning news shows often have some housewife or random from the street sitting opposite an expert in their field for "balance" but it doesn't make each of their conclusions worth the same thing.

You complain when your option isn't listed to because it's been proven unfounded and rather than looking within and questioning your beliefs when reality says you're wrong, you invent conspiracy to justify being stubborn.

It doesn't mean as we learn more, evidence can't change and be updated which may support a gut feeling you've had in the past, or a justification used to fight against being told what to do, but that's just luck.

Your gut feelings aren't evidence.

Although I'm glad that the passing of time has proven some of your gut feelings to justify your tantrums over not wanting to wear a mask, needing to escape the wife and kids or generally being told what to do turned out to not be too far-fetched.

What is scary though is if we face another more dangerous pandemic in our lifetimes, which I sincerely hope not, more people will react like you did during COVID in greater numbers and it will be the end of us.

I'm just hoping in this nightmare scenario there are steps individuals can take to protect themselves and it's only those who nominate and compete in the Herman Cain Awards who win them.

education system or indoctrination system Roll Eyes

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