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Re: Marxism/Fascism
Reply #165 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:13am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 10:32pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 7:23pm:
Oh that’s easy. You’re a far left winger who’s in denial lol.


in denial of what? The possibility of effective international law?  And the possibility of eradicating poverty, and enforced welfare dependency as the stop gap for the current dysfunctional neoclassical economic orthodoxy?

Guilty as charged.

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I see myself as being centre right (on most issues).

Where do you see me on the continuum?


Right of Albo and Chalmers who are neo-liberal/neoclassical followers, abandoning the original vision of the ALP as a "workers' party."
Geez they can't even build public housing without resorting to  gambling on the stock exchange (for "the housing fund").  Even Menzies supported a large public housing stock via deficit spending.   

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Note : I’m of the opinion that people change over time as a result of life’s experiences etc and that often changes how we think about issues (which may affect where we sit on the above continuum). 


Yes. But see how silly the continuum is....Hawke and  Keating to the Right of Menzies and Whitlam, economically if not socially...(Menzies was socially 'conservative' after all...)


You’re in denial about how far left you are.

You’re also a dreamer if you still there could ever be effective international law. Why?

Unless there’s co operation/collaboration/commitment on an international basis then EFFECTIVE INTERNATIONAL LAW will exist in name only.

In fact that’s exactly why our globe is getting nowhere right now as I type this. And why areas such as the protection of our global natural environment, our world’s vulnerable children and just every day needs like clean water and clean air and safe food production protocols are still unaddressed. I could go on about human trafficking, child exploitation, interruption of natural eco systems etc but why bother when it all comes down to this confronting reality: abuse and more specifically...humanity’s inability to control abuse.

If one dares to look at human history they will find a dreadful story of abuse which continues to this day. We’ve abused everything possible on our planet including our water, air, atmosphere AND right now even outer space is cluttered with our junk. We’ve abused people and animals ... pretty much anything vulnerable. For whatever reason humanity is adamant in perpetuating its mission of self sabotage.

Given where humanity is right now (and yes I’m not only thinking about the issues I’ve raised above ... I’m also thinking about the Russia vs Ukraine conflict) how can you even contemplate the pipe dream of : effective international law?

You’re definitely a dreamer.

I’m just waiting for you to finally come clean about your hybrid Marxist/Socialist/Leninist/Communist/Anarchist leanings. 😐i


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Reply #166 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:25am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 5:03pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 4:57pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
Thanks Lisa,
yes - you are well read - a sort of intellectual on this forum.


Ha! I don’t think so.

I just love learning as much as I can.




It’s probably why I won a private high school scholarship and got into Arts/Law at Sydney Uni with no trouble.

Anyway .... I had interesting lecturers at Uni who I thought were quite fascinating. Some were/still are well known and highly regarded/respected in the areas of political science.

And yes I was THAT girl who always sat in the middle of the front row constantly asking questions lol.

Some of my questions were cheeky. In fact I was nicknamed Miss Cheeky by the Professor of Political Economy back in the 1990’s BECAUSE my questions to him always had a hidden agenda....mainly to correct him and/or to force him to teach us the full story behind Socialism and Communism Tongue




Thanks Lisa,
well we now know that Monk is a lying commie.



You know nothing of the sort. You have given ZERO evidence any of those on your list are Marxists.
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Re: Marxism/Fascism
Reply #167 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:32am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:13am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 10:32pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 7:23pm:
Oh that’s easy. You’re a far left winger who’s in denial lol.


in denial of what? The possibility of effective international law?  And the possibility of eradicating poverty, and enforced welfare dependency as the stop gap for the current dysfunctional neoclassical economic orthodoxy?

Guilty as charged.

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I see myself as being centre right (on most issues).

Where do you see me on the continuum?


Right of Albo and Chalmers who are neo-liberal/neoclassical followers, abandoning the original vision of the ALP as a "workers' party."
Geez they can't even build public housing without resorting to  gambling on the stock exchange (for "the housing fund").  Even Menzies supported a large public housing stock via deficit spending.   

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Note : I’m of the opinion that people change over time as a result of life’s experiences etc and that often changes how we think about issues (which may affect where we sit on the above continuum). 


Yes. But see how silly the continuum is....Hawke and  Keating to the Right of Menzies and Whitlam, economically if not socially...(Menzies was socially 'conservative' after all...)


You’re in denial about how far left you are.

You’re also a dreamer if you still there could ever be effective international law. Why?

Unless there’s co operation/collaboration/commitment on an international basis then EFFECTIVE INTERNATIONAL LAW will exist in name only.

In fact that’s exactly why our globe is getting nowhere right now as I type this. And why areas such as the protection of our global natural environment, our world’s vulnerable children and just every day needs like clean water and clean air and safe food production protocols are still unaddressed. I could go on about human trafficking, child exploitation, interruption of natural eco systems etc but why bother when it all comes down to this confronting reality: abuse and more specifically...humanity’s inability to control abuse.

If one dares to look at human history they will find a dreadful story of abuse which continues to this day. We’ve abused everything possible on our planet including our water, air, atmosphere AND right now even outer space is cluttered with our junk. We’ve abused people and animals ... pretty much anything vulnerable. For whatever reason humanity is adamant in perpetuating its mission of self sabotage.

Given where humanity is right now (and yes I’m not only thinking about the issues I’ve raised above ... I’m also thinking about the Russia vs Ukraine conflict) how can you even contemplate the pipe dream of : effective international law?

You’re definitely a dreamer.

I’m just waiting for you to finally come clean about your hybrid Marxist/Socialist/Leninist/Communist/Anarchist leanings. 😐




I’m also happy to continue this discussion in the Environment Sub Forum (the sub forum moderated by Bobby) as we are canvassing issues which assume a safe environment.

Also...if you take a closer look at my responses you will find that I am addressing that very assumption because it affects law/politics/economics/social organisation etc.

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Reply #168 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 9:08am
 
This sad excuse of a discussion should be taken to the Finance and Economics board.
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Re: Bullshit promises:
Reply #169 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 9:33am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 9:08am:
This sad excuse of a discussion should be taken to the Finance and Economics board.


Or even a new board called "F*ckwits Inc."
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Reply #170 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 9:56am
 
That would have 90% of all posts!
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Reply #171 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 10:42am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:13am:
You’re in denial about how far left you are.


And being "left"  is a crime to be denied?

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You’re also a dreamer if you still there could ever be effective international law. Why?


Because men have better things to do than squander resources on arms races in the age of MAD, much less fight actual wars like Ukraine. The epithet  'homo sapiens' will have to be scrapped if the insane fighting persists. 

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In fact that’s exactly why our globe is getting nowhere right now as I type this.


Did you know that at the founding of the UN in 1946, a majority of delegates from smaller countries resisted adoption of the veto power by the 5 great powers in the UNSC?
...(signs of 'homo sapiens'.....)

But the US and USSR issued an ultimatum: "no veto, no UN Charter".  So while the majority believed in the concept of effective international law, great power rivalry got in the way. However, never say never....

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And why areas such as the protection of our global natural environment, our world’s vulnerable children and just every day needs like clean water and clean air and safe food production protocols are still unaddressed. I could go on about human trafficking, child exploitation, interruption of natural eco systems etc but why bother when it all comes down to this confronting reality: abuse and more specifically...humanity’s inability to control abuse.


Again, the triumph of self-interest of the powerful above the well-being of the planet and its people. I think rationality (the evolved capacity of homo spaiens)  will eventiality triumph over destructive, cooperation- destroying self-interest, as globalization progresses.  

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Given where humanity is right now (and yes I’m not only thinking about the issues I’ve raised above ... I’m also thinking about the Russia vs Ukraine conflict) how can you even contemplate the pipe dream of : effective international law?
You’re definitely a dreamer.


If AGW is real, the climate change problem might come to my assistance: a threat to the existance of life from something we CAN control might enforce economic co-operation** among leaders.

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I’m just waiting for you to finally come clean about your hybrid Marxist/Socialist/Leninist/Communist/Anarchist leanings. 😐


Irrelevent obsolete labels, in the age of AI, IT and fiat money (which can be created out of thin air by national treasuries, just as private banks create money out of thin air, study MMT).


**  https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/the-fast-track-to-net-zero?utm_source=subst...

The Fast Track to Net Zero

"There is no engineering/resources barrier", only political and entrenched, fake, erroneous financial interests/orthodoxy which are standing in the way. i




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Reply #172 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 6:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2023 at 7:23pm:
Well - there is a list.
Do you think it's complete or do we need to add anyone?


https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1660808671/330#330


Updated list of Ozpolitic Cultural Marxists:

LTYC,
FTLW,
Monk, 
possible leader

Smith,
Greggy,
Mothra,
Athos,
AiA,
Jim,
Random,
Marla,
Dnarever.
Brian?



And its a good list to be on too.
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Reply #173 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 6:52pm
 
It is, basically, a list of the smarter, better informed members here.
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Reply #174 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 7:59pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 6:52pm:
It is, basically, a list of the smarter, better informed members here.



Monk - you're a Trotskyite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism

Trotskyism is the political ideology and branch of Marxism developed by Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky and some other members of the Left Opposition and Fourth International. Trotsky described himself as an orthodox Marxist, a revolutionary Marxist, and Bolshevik–Leninist, a follower of Marx, Engels, and Vladimir Lenin, Karl Liebknecht, and Rosa Luxemburg. He supported founding a vanguard party of the proletariat, proletarian internationalism, and a dictatorship of the proletariat (as opposed to the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie", which Marxists argue defines capitalism) based on working-class self-emancipation and mass democracy.
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Reply #175 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:13pm
 
Never been a Trot. Never been a Marxist.
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Reply #176 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:32pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:13pm:
Never been a Trot. Never been a Marxist.


Monk has this poster on his wall:


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Reply #177 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 9:30pm
 
Nope.'

It would be nice if you at least tried to provide some evidence for all these labels you try to put on people.
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Reply #178 - Apr 30th, 2023 at 11:07pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 9:30pm:
Nope.'

It would be nice if you at least tried to provide some evidence for all these labels you try to put on people.


Oh dear!!!!!  Pot/kettle.

Cheesy
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Reply #179 - May 1st, 2023 at 12:00am
 
Monk makes bullshit promises.


Q.E.D.


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