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Reply #75 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:02pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs.

Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism.

That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? Wink

You mean Sunni Muslims vs Shi'ite Muslims.

Both fighting for Islamic 'unity' eh? Wink

Both fighting for Allah who determines the victor.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52829 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #76 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:04pm Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52829 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #77 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:07pm This short clip is amusing. Shows China's official 'simulation' in attacking Taiwan. They wouldn't have to, if the USA didn't meddle. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=china+attacks+taiwan&&view=detail&mid=062B5...
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Reply #78 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:25pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to.

It's not the states of Pakistan and Afghanistan who will send a state-sanctioned army to Xinjiang, although in a collapsing China, neither country would miss an opportunity to exert influence over the region.

Islamists fight for Islamic hegemony and are prepared to die for the cause. When you're zealous for the cause, to the death, 'afford' has got nothing to do with it.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25068 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #79 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:26pm I think we can simulate China's invasion more like this:
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Reply #80 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to.

It's not the states of Pakistan and Afghanistan who will send a state-sanctioned army to Xinjiang, although in a collapsing China, neither country would miss an opportunity to exert influence over the region.

Islamists fight for Islamic hegemony and are prepared to die for the cause. When you're zealous for the cause, to the death, 'afford' has got nothing to do with it.

Islamists well fight to the death to have their rule spread to new lands. But if they cannot afford to feed themselves and arm themselves in their quest to spread "the religion of peace", they are not going to make the journey to help with fellow Jihadis. A collapsing China might well mean the Uighurs can consolidate their own power in the region (and possibly expand).

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Reply #81 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

Back to the start. Pakistan and Taliban have no direct interest in Uighurs, nor can they afford to.

It's not the states of Pakistan and Afghanistan who will send a state-sanctioned army to Xinjiang, although in a collapsing China, neither country would miss an opportunity to exert influence over the region.

Islamists fight for Islamic hegemony and are prepared to die for the cause. When you're zealous for the cause, to the death, 'afford' has got nothing to do with it.

Islamists well fight to the death to have their rule spread to new lands. But if they cannot afford to feed themselves and arm themselves in their quest to spread "the religion of peace", they are not going to make the journey to help with fellow Jihadis. A collapsing China might well mean the Uighurs can consolidate their own power in the region (and possibly expand).

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25068 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #82 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:59pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm: It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue. I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #83 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:18pm Xi thinks they can do it while the West is fixated on Ukraine. His stake is the end of international trade with the West. All that to save face.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52829 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #84 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:01am Taiwan - the USA's control on Asia?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52829 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #85 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:03am China, Japan, both Koreas, Vietnam, and other 'Asian' nations get together to say *"Let's fuck these North American's out of 'our' Asia!"**
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Reply #86 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm:

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.

You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion.

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

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Reply #87 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:56am

Jasin wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:03am:

China, Japan, both Koreas, Vietnam, and other 'Asian' nations get together to say "Let's f*uck these North American's out of 'our' Asia!" Cheesy

Except that Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and likely others are asking for US protection against the CCP.

Also, North Koreans hate Han Chinese more than any other ethnic group in Asia.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13884 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #88 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:45am MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am: Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family? I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.
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Reply #89 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:26am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.

From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life.

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