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Reply #60 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:28pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

So, you agree with me?

Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force.

If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs.

I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating.

Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang?

Pakistan and Taliban are 'self interested' in their empowerments and support from China.

Religiosity is politics by another name. There would be no funding from a collapsed China.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52751 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #61 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:31pm Religion is the written word. Politics is the spoken word. Said the White Man to the Brown Man.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #62 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:33pm Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:31pm: Religion is the written word. Politics is the spoken word. So you've never heard a cleric preach a sermon, devotees sing and chant prayers, and never read anything a politician has written, then.
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Reply #63 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:35pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:31pm:

Religion is the written word.
Politics is the spoken word.

So you've never heard a cleric preach a sermon, devotees sing and chant prayers, and never read anything a politician has written, then.

Well they say that South Australia is the 'Middle-East' part of the country, but it's not really 'the' Middle-East now is it? Wink

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Reply #64 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban and middle eastern Sunni Islamists would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang?

I have not kept up with the news coming from Pakistan -- and has anyone -- but the politics over there seem to have the economy be "on the brink of collapse". And, for what little I know about Afghanistan, we do not know if the Taliban have established themselves as complete rulers of Afghanistan. There might still be a presence of opponents willing to take down the Taliban and re-establish some kind of return to modernity (again). Otherwise, there is a real possibility that Pakistan and Taliban might break up into smaller countries.

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #65 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm: The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them. You underestimate religious zeal.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25067 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #66 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:26pm: Pakistan and Taliban are 'self interested' in their empowerments and support from China. Wow. You answered the question directed at me more succinctly than I could.
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Reply #67 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:49pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

Religiosity is politics by another name. There would be no funding from a collapsed China.

Perhaps the idea is that without funding from a collapsed China to attack a collapsed China, there really is no incentive to help out a religiously aligned ally in gaining more independence, when that independence is happening anyway.

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Reply #68 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

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Reply #69 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Trust me, I have underestimated religious fundamentalists -- 20 years ago. I now no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. One thing that I have learned about their kind is their selfishness. Unless they have something to benefit from joining in the fighting with their fellow Jihadis, they are going to stay home and think about Allah.

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Reply #70 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:56pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs.

Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism.

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Reply #71 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs.

Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism.

That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? Wink

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Re: China invading Taiwan
Reply #72 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:58pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

As Genghis Khan said of the Mongols of his day, "All we Mongols wish for our life is to ride, hunt and fight"

Something similar can be said of Islamists.

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Reply #73 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:00pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs.

Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism.

That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? Wink

You mean Sunni Muslims vs Shi'ite Muslims.

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Reply #74 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

The Islamists and Taliban are going to be busy trying to keep power in their country, rather than worry about supporting with their militia the Uighurs in western China in their bid for overcoming Beijing's control of them.

You underestimate religious zeal.

Pakistan/Taliban don't give a hoot about the Uighurs.
Like Iraq and Iran didn't against each other. Religion meant nothing

They don't need to give a hoot about Uighurs.

Their zeal comes from their devotion to Islamism.

That's why Iraq and Iran went to war eh? Wink

You mean Sunni Muslims vs Shi'ite Muslims.

Both fighting for Islamic 'unity' eh? Wink

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