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Reply #45 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:52pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

China has stated in the past a 'peaceful' unification with the Nationalists - including the incorporation of the Nationalist symbol into the Chinese Flag.
China does not want to 'invade' via violence.
It just wants the USA out of Taiwan and to stop meddling in Asian affairs.
Fair point - the USA is not the United Nations.

So in essence - the Communists were more than happy years ago for Taiwan to remain 'Nationalist'.
...then the USA got involved and now, everything is hostile.
Taiwanese may loose their lives. All for what? USA pumping its democracy capitalism and keeping a toe-hold on something that is not theirs.

Ha ha! 'More than happy', eh!

The CCP wants control of the shipping lanes and a strategic foothold in the first island chain.

It is well worth the first island chain nations, the US and Australia to do anything to the CCP that brings it down.

You're wasting your time blowing smoke up Han arse. As a non-Han person, you are a sub-human. The mainland Han are blindingly ethno-chauvinistic.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25067 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #46 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:53pm I would be very sure that the USA will not intervene in any invasion of Taiwan by China. The United States does not have a history of fighting wars against an enemy that can fight back.
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Reply #47 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:02pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

I would be very sure that the USA will not intervene in any invasion of Taiwan by China. The United States does not have a history of fighting wars against an enemy that can fight back.

Not only would the US do it, the US would finish it within a month.

But the US involvement in any war between China and Taiwan will come after hostilities begin with Japan and the CCP. The US will supply Japan and Taiwan with its full air support (and significant naval support) and use its unchallenged control of night warfare.

What will be left to the CCP will be whether the US allows the CCP to survive after the complete destruction of the PLA to govern the shithole that is mainland China. No foreign power wants to administer China.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77052 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #48 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:06pm Don't stress, china isn't going to invade Taiwan They have to much to lose for little gain.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15127 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #49 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:21pm John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:06pm: They have to much to lose for little gain. That's for sure! Xi also has his life to lose. A CCP defeat would trigger his overthrow, arrest and execution.
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Reply #50 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

I would be very sure that the USA will not intervene in any invasion of Taiwan by China. The United States does not have a history of fighting wars against an enemy that can fight back.

Not only would the US do it, the US would finish it within a month.

But the US involvement in any war between China and Taiwan will come after hostilities begin with Japan and the CCP. The US will supply Japan and Taiwan with its full air support (and significant naval support) and use its unchallenged control of night warfare.

What will be left to the CCP will be whether the US allows the CCP to survive after the complete destruction of the PLA to govern the shithole that is mainland China. No foreign power wants to administer China.

China's military might well be for defensive purposes, rather than offense. But, if the USA goes to Taiwan's defense, I cannot say that it will be a walk over for China. We know that China's economy would be in a precarious position in war. So, I doubt that China can win against many allied nations of the USA. But, I cannot say that China would be a pushover.

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

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Reply #51 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

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Reply #52 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

So, you agree with me?

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Reply #53 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

So, you agree with me?

Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force.

If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs.

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Reply #54 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

So, you agree with me?

Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force.

If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs.

I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25067 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #55 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:14pm I see that Xinjiang is self-governing, now. But the Chinese seem to want to change that. This will change under a collapsing China.
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Reply #56 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

They have to much to lose for little gain.

That's for sure! Xi also has his life to lose. A CCP defeat would trigger his overthrow, arrest and execution.

Well, sorry to burst your bubbles here.
As I've said for years. China is headed towards it's Super-Nova and to do so, it must swell in size.
Go to 2mins if you like.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/xi-jinping-is-preparing-for-war/ar-AA19FNOI...

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Reply #57 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:24pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

So, you agree with me?

Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force.

If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs.

I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating.

Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban and middle eastern Sunni Islamists would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang?

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Reply #58 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:26pm

Never get into a war on the Asian mainland - instead let the little bastards come out to you where you can get a fair shot at them.

Read a book about the Doolittle Raiders, and a lot of it was in China following the raid... one guy told the story of this small nuggety Chinese guy who literally picked him up and carried him on his back up and down hills like a mountain goat... half his size he reckoned. Another family invited a flier to sleep in their bed with them on a cold night, and immediately set about making babies while he was there.... shock to an American of that era... they say the Japanese killed up to 100,000 Chinese chasing the Raiders across China.... After the war Doolittle heard of some bloke who'd been a prisoner of the Japanese and was in a hospital raving about how he'd been on this fabulous raid etc, and the docs thought he was nuts and bullsh

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tting. Doolittle went to the hospital, recognised the guy and tore them new assholes all round.... he being a General at the time.

Once upon a time we all fliend... all good men, good men together ..... now enemy... why?

Bloody politicians.

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Reply #59 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:26pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

The strategy for the USA would be to defend Taiwan. Trying to destroy mainland China, even in small sections, would be like Hitler invading Russia. You don't want to go too deep and get cut off from an escape route.

No foreign power wants to administer mainland China - it's set to collapse on its own anyway and become another post-soviet Russia. containment, in order to facilitate the collapse of the CCP, will be the strategy.

So, you agree with me?

Yes, although even the CCP can't be confident that the PLA would even be up to defending mainland China. Its defence is the fact that no foreign power wants to administer a post-collapsed CCP brought down by a foreign force.

If it collapses from within, however, that would be a different story as internal ethnic forces would rip China apart - not least Xinjiang where every Islamist would head for to avenge the persecution of the Uighurs.

I am going to disagree with you there. Every Islamist would want a collapsing China to have the Uighurs rise up and claim their independence, too. But, I doubt you will find many foreign fighters rock up and help this happen. Perhaps down the track, the Chinese would be so disinterested in the Xinjiang region that the place will be self-administrating.

Do you really think that Pakistani Islamists and the Afghani Taliban would have no interest in fighting for and avenging their Islamic brothers in Xinjiang?

Pakistan and Taliban are 'self interested' in their empowerments and support from China.

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