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Reply #15 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV

Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

Not in armed conflict against China we won't be. The West always loses, so it will be worked out around a negotiating table, with China getting on top in the talks, and Biden will say: "We settled on a peaceful solution" ... China will change the politics in Taiwan, but let the people remain reasonably free. Much like Hong Kong

Biden's rhetoric so far about Taiwan has been a stupid "Vietnam" type rhetoric ... We'll get those commie bastards!

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Reply #16 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:33am

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV

Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

Not in armed conflict against China we won't be. The West always loses, so it will be worked out around a negotiating table, with China getting on top in the talks, and Biden will say: "We settled on a peaceful solution" ... China will change the politics in Taiwan, but let the people remain reasonably free. Much like Hong Kong

Biden's rhetoric so far about Taiwan has been a stupid "Vietnam" type rhetoric ... We'll get those commie bastards!

China will not be allowed to succeed in any invasion of Taiwan as the world would be ceding control of the free shipping lanes and influence over the first island chain which consists of Taiwan, Indonesia, parts of the Philippines, and Japan.

All the currently free shipping lanes for trade to and from southeast Asia, Australia. the South Pacific and India would then rely on the goodwill of the CCP and be subject to whatever tariffs or demands they might impose.

Also, control of the first island chain gives the CCP the necessary proximity to the US to launch an assault on its territories.

It is in Australia's interest to be part of a force to prevent the CCP's invasion of Taiwan.

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Reply #17 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:18am

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless.

As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'.

I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college. Roll Eyes

Not in the least.
Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan.
Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up.

Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses.

You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea. The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success.

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Reply #18 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:29am

Belgarion wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless.

As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'.

I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college. Roll Eyes

Not in the least.
Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan.
Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up.

Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses.

You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea. The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success.

Yes, given the CCP's armed services have had no real-time experience in battle, other than using sticks and clubs along the line of actual control between India and China - real caveman stuff.

Its naval 'fleet' is a facade and plagued with the consequences of a Chinese scourge - cha bu duo - a near-enough-good-enough attitude to production, or, as one Chinese musician put it, "cha bu duo - a deer is now a horse".

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52748 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #19 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:10am MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm: It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan. No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan.
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Reply #20 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:13am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless.

As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'.

I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college. Roll Eyes

Not in the least.
Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan.
Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up.

Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses.

You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea. The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success.

Yes, given the CCP's armed services have had no real-time experience in battle, other than using sticks and clubs along the line of actual control between India and China - real caveman stuff.

Its naval 'fleet' is a facade and plagued with the consequences of a Chinese scourge - cha bu duo - a near-enough-good-enough attitude to production, or, as one Chinese musician put it, "cha bu duo - a deer is now a horse".

Gee. You two sound like Military experts at the start of the Vietnam War... the first 3 months is where the USA lost the War. Grin

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Reply #21 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:21am

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Could be. But a very expensive and important response none the less. China is basically expressing 'it will invade' regardless.

As for USA promising 'weapons'. Lotta good that will do, as Taiwan will be over-run and conquered very quickly. USA won't be able to supply them with anything without coming in direct conflict with China 'in Taiwan'.

I see you are an alumni of the Vladimir Putin military college. Roll Eyes

Not in the least.
Ukraine is a very different situation than Taiwan.
Unlike China, Russia has been rusting away since its former USSR glory days. China has been on the up.

Unlike Ukraine. Taiwan will be done and dusted by the CCP very quickly. USA will be left looking for excuses.

You have no idea how difficult a seaborne invasion is. The PRC will have to transport its forces across about 100 NM of sea. The logistics involved are extremely complicated and depend on everything going exactly right. I doubt the PRC can achieve the air and sea control that will be essential to success.

Yes, given the CCP's armed services have had no real-time experience in battle, other than using sticks and clubs along the line of actual control between India and China - real caveman stuff.

Its naval 'fleet' is a facade and plagued with the consequences of a Chinese scourge - cha bu duo - a near-enough-good-enough attitude to production, or, as one Chinese musician put it, "cha bu duo - a deer is now a horse".

Gee. You two sound like Military experts at the start of the Vietnam War... the first 3 months is where the USA lost the War. Grin

Aren't you making predictions about the outcome of a predicted war?

You're comparing one war with a war that hasn't started and coming to a conclusion about the latter's likely outcome.

Why are you using the Vietnam War?

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Reply #22 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:26am

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV

Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan.

No. The Australian government will support Australia's allies: the US and Japan regardless of which party is in power.

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Reply #23 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:28am

Hong Kong was Britain's sacrificial offering back to China after turning it into a Drug Den.

Taiwan is 'Media' America's sacrificial offering for supporting the Anti-Communist remains of the Nationalists from the 'mainland'.

Taiwan IS and always WAS 'China' regardless of political power.
That's the very first reason and first loss to the USA.
Secondly, Japan will not just jump in against China just because the 'Media' Fake-Politic America says "Jump!".

Notice 'Hospitals' are being set up on China mainland.
Wonder what's going down there? Huh

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Reply #24 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:30am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV

Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan.

No. The Australian government will support Australia's allies: the US and Japan regardless of which party is in power.

NO. 'You' and 'Media' Fake Politic ALP will support Japan and 'Media' Fake Politic Democrats.

I will be waiting for Nihon and the Republicans to clean up the former's mess.
I will also be saying NO to enslavement to fight other people's dirty, filthy, corrupt wars in other people's countries.

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Reply #25 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:39am

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:28am:

Hong Kong was Britain's sacrificial offering back to China after turning it into a Drug Den.

Taiwan is 'Media' America's sacrificial offering for supporting the Anti-Communist remains of the Nationalists from the 'mainland'.

Taiwan IS and always WAS 'China' regardless of political power.
That's the very first reason and first loss to the USA.
Secondly, Japan will not just jump in against China just because the 'Media' Fake-Politic America says "Jump!".

Notice 'Hospitals' are being set up on China mainland.
Wonder what's going down there? Huh

Taiwanese natives are not Han Chinese. The China we know today is a Han ethno-chauvinistic state, with no historical precedent.

The Taiwanese, by a very large majority, identify nationalistically as Taiwanese not Chinese.

Japan has already declared its policy of martial commitment to the defence of Taiwan citing Taiwan's attack by the CCP as a direct existential threat to Japan and Japan's security.

The CCP, through its central and provincial governments, is always initiating building projects as a way to generate easy money for CCP officials, nearly all of which end in abandonment and collapse both economically and structurally.

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Reply #26 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:40am

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

It won't worry us, we've got a One-China policy. We can sit back and watch the sparks fly on TV

Australia will follow the lead of our allies: the US and Japan.

No! YOU will follow the lead of our exploiters: the US & Japan.

No. The Australian government will support Australia's allies: the US and Japan regardless of which party is in power.

NO. 'You' and 'Media' Fake Politic ALP will support Japan and 'Media' Fake Politic Democrats.

I will be waiting for Nihon and the Republicans to clean up the former's mess.
I will also be saying NO to enslavement to fight other people's dirty, filthy, corrupt wars in other people's countries.

You seem to think the state has no role in directing Australia's foreign affairs. Why is that?

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Reply #27 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:57am

"We are here (in Korea) to kick out the Yellow Mongols from Asia"

...these were the immortal words of General Macarthur during the Korean War.

A War that had 'North Americans' fighting in Asia (again) as the most invasive nation on the planet.

The USSR & USA default COLD WAR of threatening the entire World with nuclear destruction if 'White Man' didn't get half of it.
That's right - the USSR moving eastward into Asia for 'Europe' to kick all those Yellow People out (and into Oceania with their Polynesian brethren?) - let alone kicking the Brown People out of the Middle-East (and into Sahul with the Aborigines?).

So the YIN/YANG of turning the entire Northern (Superior) Hemisphere 'all White' with America's help... kinda, well - just failed didn't it? Wink

We all know Master Plans exist. It's what has driven every great conflict.

With the failure and capitulation of the USSR and that Master Plan (maybe Joe wants to 'build back', the past - dementia style?) of Yin/Yang. It looks like China at the most is now getting its 'REVENGE' after being invaded, bullied, drugged out, etc, etc.

What we now see is the USA also trying to save face in retreat. It wants the evil Nationalists, a former dictatorship of Taiwan, to stay beyond China's reach for its own Economic reasons 'only'. Wouldn't give a rats how its people live.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15127 Gender:	Re: China invading Taiwan Reply #28 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 12:03pm Jasin wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:57am: *"We are here (in Korea) to kick out the Yellow Mongols from Asia"* ...these were the immortal words of General Macarthur during the Korean War. No, he didn't.
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