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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4372 Gender:	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #120 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 5:49pm Here is a Voice
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13884 Gender:	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #121 - Jun 11^th, 2023 at 4:42pm [quote author=Boris link=1680909737/120#120 date=1686296991]Here is a Voice Have you ever heard yourself on Karaoke? Conversely, "Treaty" was a global hit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf-jHCdafZY
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Reply #122 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 7:34am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 4:42pm:

[quote author=Boris link=1680909737/120#120 date=1686296991]Here is a Voice

Have you ever heard yourself on Karaoke?

Conversely, "Treaty" was a global hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf-jHCdafZY

You clearly have never had to handle these people day in and day out - smell them - clean them - patch them up
You ignorant fool

The Voice is dead

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Reply #123 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 2:02pm

Boris wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

You clearly have never had to handle these people day in and day out - smell them - clean them - patch them up
You ignorant fool

You decided to slander blacks with some videos.

Whereas:

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"By 1988, Yothu Yindi (of the music-hit "Treaty" fame) had toured Australia and North America supporting Midnight Oil"... no doubt he "smelled" alright; and just in case you don't know, poverty often 'stinks', regardless of race.....what were you saying about "ignorant fool"?

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The Voice is dead

But the need to close the gap isn't.

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Reply #124 - Jun 14^th, 2023 at 3:06pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

You clearly have never had to handle these people day in and day out - smell them - clean them - patch them up
You ignorant fool

You decided to slander blacks with some videos.

Whereas:

(wiki)

"By 1988, Yothu Yindi (of the music-hit "Treaty" fame) had toured Australia and North America supporting Midnight Oil"... no doubt he "smelled" alright; and just in case you don't know, poverty often 'stinks', regardless of race.....what were you saying about "ignorant fool"?

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The Voice is dead

But the need to close the gap isn't.

People are responsible for their own behaviour

The violence is off the scale and alcohol abuse and as a hospital employee I saw horror - day after day after day - and they turn over staff like anything.

If you have not had to deal with it - you are ignorant - you have NFI

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Reply #125 - Jun 15^th, 2023 at 10:20am

Paragraph 3.

"The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures."

The Voice is supposed to advise parliament. Who advises parliament on the Voice's, "Composition, functions, powers and procedures?"

Would you vote to give parliament this sweeping Constitutional right in another referendum without the indigenous element?

I find it hard to believe any thinking person would be so little concerned about this weakening of democracy.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50551 At my desk.	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #126 - Jun 15^th, 2023 at 5:14pm Aboriginal people will not appoint the voice to speak for them. The government will appoint the voice to tell them whatever they want to hear. You only have to look at the Machiavellian "public consultation" process they are doing for Mount Warning to see how self serving they will be.
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Reply #127 - Jun 15^th, 2023 at 11:38pm

Boris wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

You clearly have never had to handle these people day in and day out - smell them - clean them - patch them up
You ignorant fool

You decided to slander blacks with some videos.

Whereas:

(wiki)

"By 1988, Yothu Yindi (of the music-hit "Treaty" fame) had toured Australia and North America supporting Midnight Oil"... no doubt he "smelled" alright; and just in case you don't know, poverty often 'stinks', regardless of race.....what were you saying about "ignorant fool"?

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The Voice is dead

But the need to close the gap isn't.

People are responsible for their own behaviour

Simplistic half-truth; poverty creates all sorts of societal dysfunction.

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Reply #128 - Jun 16^th, 2023 at 8:32am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 15^th, 2023 at 11:38pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 14^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

You clearly have never had to handle these people day in and day out - smell them - clean them - patch them up
You ignorant fool

You decided to slander blacks with some videos.

Whereas:

(wiki)

"By 1988, Yothu Yindi (of the music-hit "Treaty" fame) had toured Australia and North America supporting Midnight Oil"... no doubt he "smelled" alright; and just in case you don't know, poverty often 'stinks', regardless of race.....what were you saying about "ignorant fool"?

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The Voice is dead

But the need to close the gap isn't.

People are responsible for their own behaviour

Simplistic half-truth; poverty creates all sorts of societal dysfunction.

as does DNA

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Reply #129 - Jun 17^th, 2023 at 1:08pm

Boris wrote on Jun 16^th, 2023 at 8:32am:

as does DNA

https://www.ashg.org/publications-news/ashg-news/new-research-explores-associati...

ROCKVILLE, MD – New research released today suggests that poverty status may influence human cardiovascular and immune health through changes in gene expression and that the effects of these changes differ in women and men. These findings highlight the potential impact a leading socioeconomic factor like poverty may have on gene activity and health, according to Nicole Arnold, PhD, a geneticist at Wayne State University, who presented the study results at the American Society of Human Genetics 2021 Annual Meeting.

Many biomedical and social science studies have documented the complexity of determining the role of social factors and genetic contributors to disease risk or resiliency. Recent studies have also demonstrated that these factors may interrelate through a biologic mechanism called epigenetics, through which many life experiences can alter gene expression to modify disease risk. Such changes in gene expression can be correlated with socioeconomic factors.

Dr. Arnold and her colleagues plan future analyses to examine whether or how self-identified race, genetic ancestry, and poverty may interact and affect gene expression.

“Our study suggests that poverty status influences gene expression in the immune system,” said Dr. Arnold. “The broader implication of this study is that improving health outcomes for at-risk populations could be achievable through a better understanding of the underlying biologic mechanisms by which the socioeconomic environment influences disease."

Hey....poverty CAUSES DNA, even if DNA causes poverty, a 'chicken and egg' problem.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: the wrong referendum Reply #130 - Jul 1^st, 2023 at 7:26am Why will the Federal government not reveal their intended powers of the Voice, before the referendum? You can't say that its up to Parliament, the government is in power because of majority that is represented in Parliament.
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Reply #131 - Sep 18^th, 2024 at 3:55am

As to whether the "Voice to Parliament" was a racist referendum, I will leave my reply until I have a better idea of my opponents and my allies.

But the Australian Senate is a wonderful thing. The occasional fluctuations from the national popular vote, ie freaks like the Shooters Fisher and Farmers party (as it was) do not detract from the Senate being the most representation body in any government. I think I can speak for the whole world: New Zealand has a 5% minimum for representation.

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Reply #132 - Sep 18^th, 2024 at 4:06am

issuevoter wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 7:26am:

Why will the Federal government not reveal their intended powers of the Voice, before the referendum? You can't say that its up to Parliament, the government is in power because of majority that is represented in Parliament.

Well yes. If the Labor government really meant to give a voice to Aborigines, they would simply have legislated it.

I guess they were passing the buck. Now they can say they wanted the Voice but it just didn't happen.

It's a shame really. A chamber of angry white men would not be seriously influenced by a bunch of angry black men. A voice would be recorded, a few parliamentarians would shame themselves talking back. But it's not like black Australians would have significantly more power.

Power is elected representatives. Voices don't matter.

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Reply #133 - Sep 18^th, 2024 at 1:01pm

Aurora Complexus wrote on Sep 18^th, 2024 at 3:55am:

As to whether the "Voice to Parliament" was a racist referendum, I will leave my reply until I have a better idea of my opponents and my allies.

It was racist to the extent it wanted to change the constitution on the basis of race.

The real cause of the 'gap' is our current dyfunctional economic system - ie, obsolete neoclassical economic orthodoxy - which relies on 'welfare' dependency instead of job creation (when the regular job market fails to create jobs for all) to avoid revolution by starving people - the so called 'safety net'.

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Reply #134 - Sep 18^th, 2024 at 3:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 18^th, 2024 at 1:01pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Sep 18^th, 2024 at 3:55am:

As to whether the "Voice to Parliament" was a racist referendum, I will leave my reply until I have a better idea of my opponents and my allies.

It was racist to the extent it wanted to change the constitution on the basis of race.

The real cause of the 'gap' is our current dyfunctional economic system - ie, obsolete neoclassical economic orthodoxy - which relies on 'welfare' dependency instead of job creation (when the regular job market fails to create jobs for all) to avoid revolution by starving people - the so called 'safety net'.

tgd,

The Voice to Parliament is what basically ended the excessive spending on indigenous and TSI racially exclusive funding. Allegedly, there is a $40 billion funding set aside for the 900,000 people who identify as indigenous Australians. TSI people in Australia number about 40,000.

If you have seen a church in the Weipa region -- I have -- you would see that those people are the most spiritual people on the planet. Please familiarise yourself with videos of TSI songs. They sing like the way they do because the TSI people believe that they are on the verge of extinction. So they live everyday thinking that they will pass on within the week.

"First Nations" people tend to live very similarly. The Australia Day parade had people that were either identifying as First Nations or Indigenous.

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