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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #75 - Apr 21^st, 2023 at 3:53pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 4:32am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 12:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

these are the guys i profess to study.

i leave the adoration to you and gweg who hang around trump like lovesick teenagers

trump is the first president in 40 years to start no new wars

it is the biden administration who have moved the doomsday clock closer to midnight

vlad could respect donny as the type of guy who told nato to stop sucking on the USA's titties and that america would be looking after america . note vlad did not invade during trumps presidency because he felt his motherland to be safe

biden walked that all back and so vlad felt compelled to act.

why are the left the worlds new war mongers
Cry

why do they love arming 16 yo ukrainian boys and sending them off to die.
Cry

Incorrect. Ukrainians are defending themselves against your Dear Leader, who enabled Vlad to invade. Your Dear Leader is the first president to withhold congressional military aid to a country under seige. He is the first prez to stand before the world and say this: I see no reason why it would be Russia. He subsequently called Vlad a genius, a peacemaker, very savvy, and said he knows him well.

Vlad currently holds a video of him being pissed on by Russian hos.

Not looking good, is it?

what video Grin

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even if he did, that wouldnt drop donnys ratings

it would confirm he is a party animal.

Jill biden has similar videos of being pissed on by Joe but its because he gets confused at night and cant find the toilet.

Donny is the first president in 40 years to not start a war.

vlad hates having nato on his doorstep. but he felt safe with donny in charge because donny was telling nato to fig off.

then sleepy joe comes in and starts cosying up to nato and vlad moves to secure his borders.

why did the left start and now support this newest version of vietnam

why the turnaround?

the ultra woke washington post published an article a few years ago on the total corruption of ukraine , painting it as worse then russia

Ratings? That video places the security of the USA at risk, dear. Why do you think John McCain thought it was serious enough to report to the FBI? Why do you think Comey had to have a sit down with the big fella to discuss?

Donnie never denied it, by the way. Horseface, sure, vehemently denied. E Jean, not his type. But a claque of Russian hookers and a video in the Kremlin barely raised an eyebrow.

Every one of hose security concerns were substantiated during the big fella's short time in office. He defended Vlad at every turn, from charges of election interference to Ukrainian military aid. Donnie's still a security risk. Who knows how much classified info he's stashed away? Who knows how many secret calls he's had with Vlad?

Donnie might not have started the Ukraine invasion, but he sure did everything he could to look the other way.

How many wars did Obama and Sleepy Joe start?

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #76 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 8:00am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 7:53am:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:12am:

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Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation about Ukraine winning the war.

I must have missed that bit of disinformation Bobby. You?

Hi FD,
you could easily put "Ukraine is winning the war" into Google and check.

Example:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/qa-dr-pavel-felgenhauer-russia-ukraine-...

Felgenhauer: The Russian military turned out to be not as strong as not only the West believes, but its own leadership believes. It’s not ready for modern warfare.

The Ukrainians are much better, they were better prepared organisationally and in terms of command and control, in terms of command personnel, and then they got better weapons than the Russians.

The Russian military has been isolated for more than 100 years from world tendencies in war-making. They are still living in the world of tanks, believing that if you mass enough, victory falls into your lap.

Thanks Bobby. Would you mind pointing out the bit about Ukraine winning the war?

Has Moscow fallen yet?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52750 Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #77 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 8:01am Zelensky should invade Moscow in the Winter just like Napoleon and Hitler did.
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #78 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 2:42pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 8:01am:

Zelensky should invade Moscow in the Winter
just like Napoleon and Hitler did.

<sarcasm>Uhuh. And whilst he is at it, he can take a short detour to the moon to erect a statue of himself </sarcasm>.

Are you f'n stupid or something? Even as a joke, your post makes no value to the conversation.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #79 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 2:48pm What does Russell think? Jack Teixeira - the National Guard airman arrested over leaked Pentagon documents gets quite a few mentions:
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #80 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:03pm

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 8:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 7:53am:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 6:12am:

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Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation about Ukraine winning the war.

I must have missed that bit of disinformation Bobby. You?

Hi FD,
you could easily put "Ukraine is winning the war" into Google and check.

Example:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/qa-dr-pavel-felgenhauer-russia-ukraine-...

Felgenhauer: The Russian military turned out to be not as strong as not only the West believes, but its own leadership believes. It’s not ready for modern warfare.

The Ukrainians are much better, they were better prepared organisationally and in terms of command and control, in terms of command personnel, and then they got better weapons than the Russians.

The Russian military has been isolated for more than 100 years from world tendencies in war-making. They are still living in the world of tanks, believing that if you mass enough, victory falls into your lap.

Thanks Bobby. Would you mind pointing out the bit about Ukraine winning the war?

Has Moscow fallen yet?

Not yet:

'Ukraine is winning this war, the only question is how fast and at what price' • FRANCE 24 English

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #81 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:05pm More for FD, https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/20/ukraine-military-strategy-ada... Why Ukraine will win the war By Mark Hertling February 20, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EST
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #82 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:05pm They are French Bobby.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #83 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:06pm freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:05pm: They are French Bobby. The Washington post is a Yanky outfit.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #84 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:41pm Ah. So the west is spreading disinformation about the future?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #85 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:48pm freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:41pm: Ah. So the west is spreading disinformation about the future? yes "Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation about Ukraine winning the war."
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #86 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 4:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Ah. So the west is spreading disinformation about the future?

yes

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation
about Ukraine winning the war."

Which cunningly excuses Vlad's disinformation in a stark moral equivalency, highlighting the belief that, as the big fella famously argued when asked about Vlad poisoning his political opponents, "America is just as bad".

Yes, if there are no Russian apologists present to excuse the invasion of a peaceful European country, the rape, massacre and bombing of civilian populations, we can surely make the case ourselves, no?

But I'm curious. What kind of man would seek to excuse the actions of a kleptocratic Russian regime, bent not only on the slaughter of Ukrainian civilians, but the deaths of tens of thousands of conscripted Russian soldiers, sent in to fight an unwinnable war?

A Superior Man, surely, an Alpha warrior, not so much a man as a God.

You?

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #87 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 4:17pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Ah. So the west is spreading disinformation about the future?

yes

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation
about Ukraine winning the war."

Which cunningly excuses Vlad's disinformation in a stark moral equivalency, highlighting the belief that, as the big fella famously argued when asked about Vlad poisoning his political opponents, "America is just as bad".

Yes, if there are no Russian apologists present to excuse the invasion of a peaceful European country, the rape, massacre and bombing of civilian populations, we can surely make the case ourselves, no?

But I'm curious. What kind of man would seek to excuse the actions of a kleptocratic Russian regime, bent not only on the slaughter of Ukrainian civilians, but the deaths of tens of thousands of conscripted Russian soldiers, sent in to fight an unwinnable war?

A Superior Man, surely, an Alpha warrior, not so much a man as a God.

You?

War shows the stupidity of mankind.
The first casualty of war is the truth.
Neither Ukraine nor Russia reveal their true losses -
especially the number of dead soldiers and civilians -
the truth is hidden and most people accept it.

My opinion is that NATO should have either joined in immediately in Feb. 2022 or
not given Ukraine any help.
Why should only Ukrainians die to help Europe out against the mad Russians?

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #88 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 4:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Ah. So the west is spreading disinformation about the future?

yes

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation
about Ukraine winning the war."

If they are talking about the future, how do you know it is disinformation?

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #89 - Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 4:41pm

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 4:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Ah. So the west is spreading disinformation about the future?

yes

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation
about Ukraine winning the war."

If they are talking about the future, how do you know it is disinformation?

Dear FD,
don't get too tied up with exact definitions of words.
The fact is that the West is talking up the chance of a Ukrainian win
and it's part of the propaganda always used in wars.
In WW2 Germany kept up morale by insisting they would win,
the Allies did the same.
Right now Russian TV keeps up their morale with fake - "we're sure to win" stories.
It's all part of war bullshit.

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