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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87791 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #270 - Aug 5^th, 2023 at 12:43pm .
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Reply #271 - Aug 5^th, 2023 at 7:30pm

The worms are turning.....

https://thewest.com.au/politics/state-politics/aboriginal-cultural-heritage-law-...

"The controversial overhaul of WA’s Aboriginal heritage laws will be scrapped completely in a stunning development just one month after the changes came into effect.

Facing a wave of anger and anxiety — particularly among the State’s farming community — Premier Roger Cook and Aboriginal Affairs Minister Tony Buti are poised to make the announcement within days."

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Reply #272 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 12:14pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 12:41pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 12:16pm:

But the layabout indigenous people would continue the "poor bugger me" lifestyle.

you're the guy who complains about having to work 3 hours a day

buy a mirror you frken hypocrite ...

I don't complain about having to work 3 hours a day. I complain about only working 3 hours a day. Once my minimum 3 hour shift is up, I tend to try and make myself invisible with cleaning duties to get another hour.

Even then, I still do more work and get paid less than the "poor bugger me" indigenous people.

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Reply #273 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 5:44pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

How do you close the gap, greatdivide? The only gap you need closing is your mouth. What strategies do you have to close the gap between indigenous and non-indigenous standards?

At last, the real question to be dealt with by the nation.

By introducing the concept of "task-oriented" work which the community would like done, but which is not done in the private sector's profit-based, competitive "invisible hand" markets.

Eg, much of the work which is currently done by volunteers, because the private sector can't make a profit out of it, and government claims it can't afford to pay for it.

There you have it in a nutshell.

1. Provision of task-oriented work not done by the private sector or regular public service.

2. Funded by the public sector (government) taking into account the nation's available resources.

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Reply #274 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 5:46pm

At last? You've been asked for practical measures for months and all you do is say "change the entire economic system of the world and the Abo problems will be fixed". You're dreaming, boy.

So now we're back to 'force 'em to work' - how are you planning to do that when they can see Albo holding out golden opportunities to them to stand fast as they are and be rewarded for being Aboriginal? You see - their personal concept of personal sovereignty and right to make positive decisions on their own behalf doesn't extend to actually working for it.

Only the Oreos who are doing so well out of special preferment, affirmative action, Aboriginal only public service departments etc, are using that personal sovereignty to get ahead - albeit with massive leg-ups. The rest are using it to stay as they are and refuse to come into the modern world - Welcome To Modern Australia!!

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Reply #275 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 6:26pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 5:46pm:

At last? You've been asked for practical measures for months and all you do is say "change the entire economic system of the world and the Abo problems will be fixed". You're dreaming, boy.

So now we're back to 'force 'em to work' - how are you planning to do that when they can see Albo holding out golden opportunities to them to stand fast as they are and be rewarded for being Aboriginal? You see - their personal concept of personal sovereignty and right to make positive decisions on their own behalf doesn't extend to actually working for it.

Only the Oreos who are doing so well out of special preferment, affirmative action, Aboriginal only public service departments etc, are using that personal sovereignty to get ahead - albeit with massive leg-ups. The rest are using it to stay as they are and refuse to come into the modern world - Welcome To Modern Australia!!

I'm assumig the penny will eventually drop with the electorate, when they see the gap is not closing.

btw, organizing task-oriented work which the community wants done - much of it currently done by volunteers - doesn't require changing the world's economic system, only Australia's, since we have all the resources needed to implement the necessary non-market jobs, to eradicate systemic (socio-economic) poverty.

As for blacks "not wanting to work", that will indeed need to be part of the 'truth-telling' the nation, and blacks themselves must embrace.

Including 'truth-telling' about the vicious RW lie re "dole bludgers"; most people are desperate to have and keep a full time job, but there's that small matter of the Central Bank currently trying to force them onto the dole.....

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Reply #276 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm

Well - I'll just leave you for a while in FIFF - Fools In Full Flight.... let you wear yourselves down. I don't even bother to read your endless monologues over the same ground over and over, dividie.... I thought you'd had an epiphany last night when the hit went in - 'oh - just change the entire economic system by which this country and the world operates and all will come good for the Abos'..

Jeez - why didn't someone think of that before, eh?

Again - you've been asked for months to offer PRACTICAL measures to get them on the road to curing their problems..... nobody else can do it for them and your measures have been tried and failed over and over ... either they do it for themselves or they fail ... be part of modern Australia (Welcome to Modern Country!) or pack your bags for the next boat out.

Aborassic Park after the Civil War is looking like a clear probability... lock 'em in and leave 'em to do things their way without the hindrance of anything of the white man's ways...... they'll all be dead within a year.... we'll have to drop supplies from the skies to keep them going... despite the signs to the tourists not to feed the wildlife....

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Reply #277 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 12:41pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 12:16pm:

But the layabout indigenous people would continue the "poor bugger me" lifestyle.

you're the guy who complains about having to work 3 hours a day

buy a mirror you frken hypocrite ...

I don't complain about having to work 3 hours a day. I complain about only working 3 hours a day. Once my minimum 3 hour shift is up, I tend to try and make myself invisible with cleaning duties to get another hour.

Even then, I still do more work and get paid less than the "poor bugger me" indigenous people.

I don't give a shit how many hours you actually work. The point is that you work minimal hours. You've never worked full-time in your life and you even once cited that you felt it was impossible for people to work 50 - 60 hrs because you couldn't do it. YOU'RE a bludger and you are the last person who should be calling others lazy.

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Reply #278 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 7:36pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

I don't give a shit how many hours you actually work. The point is that you work minimal hours. You've never worked full-time in your life and you even once cited that you felt it was impossible for people to work 50 - 60 hrs because you couldn't do it. YOU'RE a bludger and you are the last person who should be calling others lazy.

I don't purposely work minimum hours. I have been lazy in much of the last 3 years because of being spoiled with extra covid-related payments. But, I still do 15 to 25 hours a week, this year. I barely get much in welfare. I study. And I take care of myself and my surroundings.

Given that I have been around people that work 50 to 60 hours a week (and only getting paid 40 hours) as well as observing those that do not work any hours and getting paid more than me, I don't think it fair that I get called a "bludger". I just don't believe that anyone can work 10 hours a day for 7 days a week without having time off every 2 weeks.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87791 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #280 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:17am Police have jurisdiction - tribal law does not and will not..... arrest the silly buggar and fine him... that'll hurt. The cop is bending over backwards to avoid confrontation and this clown carries on like a pig being chased around a synagogue with a scourge...
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Reply #281 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 6:34pm

It's time for governments to man up and actually support the people doing their jobs on the ground instead of licking the nuts of every Coon who comes along and mis-reads what native title is all about. Time for Native title to either be abolished or set perfectly in order so as to avoid these kinds of things - local 'law' does not trump the law of the land to which all are subject, and that guy is clearly guilty of obstruction, blocking a public road (a white man's invention) with his white man's car ... if a cop can taser an old lady in Cooma - this guy has to be a #1 prospect for tasering and arrest......

Clearly the idea of not confronting is not working - all it is doing is encouraging them.... the gates of the prison yards are yawning wide....

Land claims - give 'em enough freehold land to build their village on - they CANNOT own an entire region simply because their forebears wandered across it, and the 'native title' nonsense was clearly designed to create just such situations as this. They can own freehold enough to live on and that's it.

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Reply #282 - Mar 19^th, 2024 at 3:46pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 9:22am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

And so the rot continues. Aboriginals continue to
force the abolishment of place names that have a
special historical significance to 97% of our
population.

The names of some of Byron Bay's most famous
landmarks in northern New South Wales could soon
be changed to traditional Aboriginal names.

Under proposals by The NSW National Parks and
Wildlife Service, Cape Byron would be renamed
"Walgun" and Julian Rocks would be "Nguthungulli".

Byron Shire Council has also been approached by a
volunteer group for a reserve informally known as
Weir Park or Pool Park, to be given the Aboriginal
place name of "Piccabeen"

"Reawakening Aboriginal place names helps to
preserve cultural traditions and provide a sense of
belonging for people from all walks of life," NSW
Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Treaty David Harris
said.

—All walks of life? WTF? Not my life! Angry

It will be interesting to see what name the, er, interested groups come up with when they decide to re-name Australia...

Two popular tourist destinations in Byron Bay have officially been given dual Aboriginal names in a “nod to cultural significance”.

The NSW Geographical Names Board approved a submission made by the National Parks and Wildlife Service in July 2023 to officially christen Cape Byron as “Walgun” and Julian Rocks as “Nguthungulli”.

Additionally, a reserve in the suburb of Bangalow, located at 27 Deacon Street, has been named Piccabeen Park, with “Piccabeen” a Bundjalung word to describe the palms in the area and the baskets made from its fronds.

In a statement issued by the NSW Government on Tuesday, Nguthungulli is a “significant and sacred” site associated with several dreaming stories and is said to mean the Father of the World in the language of the Arakwal people.

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Reply #283 - Mar 19^th, 2024 at 7:15pm

Ayers Rock - show some respect each way - the time will come when some government rips up all these 'agreements' made between the Dork governments and the Abos.

Slowly but surely every worthwhile site to visit - naturally occurring ones, of course over which NOBODY can claim possession .. Open Range .... in Australia is being shut down for 'cultural sensitivities' and soon there will be only empty desert stretching for miles and miles for visitors and travelers to see.

Just today the wahless news said that two spots near Byron Bay were being renamed - without your leave, freediver - with Aboriginal names.

Well - you know what - cultural sensitivity and respect work two ways - people can choose for themselves what they want to call a naturally occurring feature that NOBODY has any right to lay claim to.

Ayers Rock it is... Mt Warning it is... if you don't know what those names mean and what they identify, then piss off... I, for one, will name them as I choose ....

Everyone happy to have the two names of two different cultures shown side by side? If not - piss off.

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Reply #284 - Mar 20^th, 2024 at 9:50am

Frank wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

This aboriginal gentleman is forbidding Australian citizens from entering parts of Australia.

I hope the coppers arrested him.

What will happen if the YES campaign succeeds?

https://twitter.com/Of_Bourke/status/1689131013098930176

Shillingsworth .... a good traditional name Grin

He's a trouble making DH.

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