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Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:02am
 


Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque.

Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies.
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Reply #1 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:39am
 
This will be a lead in for the use of nuclear power generation instead of these expensive and inefficient renewables. Once there are more qualified nuclear power technicians and others with a real understanding of the benefits of nuclear power, the fear mongering that has prevented development will be countered by an increasing amount of informed comment and the public will become more aware of the benefits of nuclear power.
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Reply #2 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:41am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque.

Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies.


Nuclear energy is one of the most expensive and complex energy producers in the world....It would take up to 10 years to build a new nuclear power plant even if the technology was established....Australia has to start from scratch to build expertise and procure resources....Building nuclear power plants would virtually eliminate investment in alternative energy sources....There would be public opposition to any proposed nuclear power plant once it's location was announced....Nuclear waste is toxic, dangerous and needs to be safely stored for centuries before it is safe....Nuclear waste needs to be transported to waste dumps exposing any route (ports, rail or road) to protest and possible nuclear catastrophy....The proposition is absurd!!!

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https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52758/reasons-why-nuclear-energy-...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-fo...
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Reply #3 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:56am
 
Nuclear submarines are the beginning of a rethink of the power generation question. As Sabine says, "Everyone seems to have an agenda."
This is a good breakdown of the issues.



I am open to the idea of Nuclear energy, but I do not see wind turbines as "Quixotic," as Frank says, and there are corporations who are putting a butt-load of money into them in Western Australia, where no one cares about landscape aesthetics. Along with a huge solar array, they will create hydrogen to run the machinery in the iron ore mines, which at the moment, contribute a significant percentage of Australia's CO2. Anyone can rant on the internet, but Money really talks.
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Reply #4 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 12:22pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque.

Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies.


Nuclear energy is one of the most expensive and complex energy producers in the world....It would take up to 10 years to build a new nuclear power plant even if the technology was established....Australia has to start from scratch to build expertise and procure resources....Building nuclear power plants would virtually eliminate investment in alternative energy sources....There would be public opposition to any proposed nuclear power plant once it's location was announced....Nuclear waste is toxic, dangerous and needs to be safely stored for centuries before it is safe....Nuclear waste needs to be transported to waste dumps exposing any route (ports, rail or road) to protest and possible nuclear catastrophy....The proposition is absurd!!!

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https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52758/reasons-why-nuclear-energy-...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-fo...


So we should have solar and wind powered submarines, then.

Or better still, no submarines or defence of any kind. Sell out to China and be done with it.
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Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Australia will have nuclear reactors in u-boats but not on land for civilian power generation (and to power all those bloody wind turbines).  The stupidity is astonishing. Bowenesque.

Build a few nuclear power stations and hydroelectric ones as well. Forget the bloody windmills, hideous and Quixotic follies.


Nuclear energy is one of the most expensive and complex energy producers in the world....It would take up to 10 years to build a new nuclear power plant even if the technology was established....Australia has to start from scratch to build expertise and procure resources....Building nuclear power plants would virtually eliminate investment in alternative energy sources....There would be public opposition to any proposed nuclear power plant once it's location was announced....Nuclear waste is toxic, dangerous and needs to be safely stored for centuries before it is safe....Nuclear waste needs to be transported to waste dumps exposing any route (ports, rail or road) to protest and possible nuclear catastrophy....The proposition is absurd!!!

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https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52758/reasons-why-nuclear-energy-...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/why-nuclear-power-is-bad-fo...


So we should have solar and wind powered submarines, then.

Or better still, no submarines or defence of any kind. Sell out to China and be done with it.


I never mentioned nuclear (U Boats LOL) submarines....So what do you have against what I actually posted not what you want to use to deflect from your stupidity Fwank???

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Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:53pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am:



WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives???

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Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:15pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:53pm:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am:



WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives???

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Australia currently has only one nuclear reactor, which is a government-run facility at Lucas Heights in Sydney. That reactor doesn't produce electricity – rather, it is mostly used to generate chemical elements used in medicine.


In suburban Sydney.



It is not the most expensive form of power. It is expensive to set up but once running, it it very high capacity and cheap to run.

https://www.power-technology.com/features/top-ten-nuclear-energy-producing-countries/

nuclear energy has by far the highest capacity factor of any other energy source. This basically means nuclear power plants are producing maximum power more than 92% of the time during the year.  That’s about nearly 2 times more as natural gas and coal units, and almost 3 times or more reliable than wind and solar plants.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nuclear-power-most-reliable-energy-source-and-its-not-even-close
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:18pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:53pm:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am:



WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives???

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Australia currently has only one nuclear reactor, which is a government-run facility at Lucas Heights in Sydney. That reactor doesn't produce electricity – rather, it is mostly used to generate chemical elements used in medicine.


In suburban Sydney.



It is not the most expensive form of power. It is expensive to set up but once running, it it very high capacity and cheap to run.

https://www.power-technology.com/features/top-ten-nuclear-energy-producing-countries/

nuclear energy has by far the highest capacity factor of any other energy source. This basically means nuclear power plants are producing maximum power more than 92% of the time during the year.  That’s about nearly 2 times more as natural gas and coal units, and almost 3 times or more reliable than wind and solar plants.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nuclear-power-most-reliable-energy-source-and-its-not-even-close



That "major incident in WA"  Grin Grin
Tiny radioactive capsule lost somewhere on road found after three weeks
A tiny radioactive capsule, smaller than a ten cent coin, has been found three weeks after it went missing along a massive stretch of road.


Nail-biting TV series in the making.

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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:25pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:53pm:
WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West...


Wow. They have miniaturised Nuclear power plants so small you can lose them?
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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:53pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:53pm:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 11:58am:



WA had a major incident when a match box sized nuclear cappsule was lost in the North West....Nuclear energy is the most expensive form of power on the planet....Building nuclear power plants would kill off any investment in alternative energy....When you tell Australian's a train, boat or truck will be transporting nuclear waste through their neighborhood there will be an uproar....Accidents happen and there are much safer alternatives???

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Did you watch the linked video? If you did and still cannot accept the facts  there is nothing I can show you that will change your mind. Fortunately there are growing numbers who understand that it works and is safe.
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Reply #12 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:04pm
 
I am not against Nuclear power, but if I can believe Sabine's report, we use 60,000 tons of Uranium per year out of a worldwide resource of about 8 million tons. Increasing nuclear power times 10, means that in 15 to 20 years U235 production will not be economical. Let alone the billions to build a power stations.
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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:17pm
 
I'm sticking with Asimov's prediction of 'Atomics' running everything from a wristwatch to a vehicle to a Farm.
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