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Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology". (Read 3749 times)
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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #75 - May 13th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:35pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for



Progressives in a nutshell.



The exact opposite of what is true.

If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ?



you are wrong

even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for

they are defined by what they stand against

i was quite impressed
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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #76 - May 13th, 2024 at 7:12pm
 
iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:01pm:
LucyFur wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:21pm:
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race obsession

Do you mean fairness and equality ?"


I mean they bring race into most things.


Australia may be off target but remember:

The children overboard lie ?

The offshore solution ?

Turning the boats around?

The Aboriginal intervention?

They were all right wing race based dishonest election strategies.


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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #77 - May 13th, 2024 at 7:26pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:35pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for



Progressives in a nutshell.



The exact opposite of what is true.

If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ?



you are wrong

even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for

they are defined by what they stand against

i was quite impressed


US progressive policies are very popular in the community across the board.


Medicare for all - 70% popular support.

Prescription drug prices (negotiate drug prices)  - 91% popular support. Including 9/10 republican supporters.

expanding Social Security 66% support including 2/3 of Republicans

Americans favor increasing the minimum wage to a living wage including a majority of Republicans.

Three-quarters of voters favor breaking up the Big Banks 2/3 of republican voters.

Three-quarters say that the wealthiest and large corporations should pay more in taxes.

And on it goes. The opposition to all these things are the corporate Republican and corporate Democrat politicians. The people of the US broadly support progressive policy.
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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #78 - May 13th, 2024 at 8:43pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:35pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for



Progressives in a nutshell.



The exact opposite of what is true.

If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ?



you are wrong

even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for

they are defined by what they stand against

i was quite impressed


US progressive policies are very popular in the community across the board.


Medicare for all - 70% popular support.

Prescription drug prices (negotiate drug prices)  - 91% popular support. Including 9/10 republican supporters.

expanding Social Security 66% support including 2/3 of Republicans

Americans favor increasing the minimum wage to a living wage including a majority of Republicans.

Three-quarters of voters favor breaking up the Big Banks 2/3 of republican voters.

Three-quarters say that the wealthiest and large corporations should pay more in taxes.

And on it goes. The opposition to all these things are the corporate Republican and corporate Democrat politicians. The people of the US broadly support progressive policy.



Give us free stuff.  Pwoggwessive, innit.

No. Moronic.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #79 - May 13th, 2024 at 10:16pm
 
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 8:43pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:35pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for



Progressives in a nutshell.



The exact opposite of what is true.

If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ?



you are wrong

even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for

they are defined by what they stand against

i was quite impressed


US progressive policies are very popular in the community across the board.


Medicare for all - 70% popular support.

Prescription drug prices (negotiate drug prices)  - 91% popular support. Including 9/10 republican supporters.

expanding Social Security 66% support including 2/3 of Republicans

Americans favor increasing the minimum wage to a living wage including a majority of Republicans.

Three-quarters of voters favor breaking up the Big Banks 2/3 of republican voters.

Three-quarters say that the wealthiest and large corporations should pay more in taxes.

And on it goes. The opposition to all these things are the corporate Republican and corporate Democrat politicians. The people of the US broadly support progressive policy.



Give us free stuff.  Pwoggwessive, innit.

No. Moronic.



No surprise Furta that you see removing corruption and providing sensible outcomes as free stuff. You favoured corruption is all about free stuff but just for wealthy people exclusively.

The mainstream corporate politicians are all about government for the few. The numbers show that the people support progressive policies for the people.

The American people do not support the most expensive health system in the world for a poor quality outcome and they don't support the most expensive drugs in the world because of a corrupt system and they don't support the lowest low wages in the western world to subsidise the wealthy few.

Its about fair and reasonable outcomes not free. Free is what the corporate leaners and wealthy currently enjoy - they are bludging on all of us.
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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #80 - May 13th, 2024 at 10:33pm
 
If anyone thinks the right have any less of a 'collective' mindset then those on the left, then they're a fool.

Just look at all the 'right' that cheer for a convicted rapist and thief in the usa. Why? Because he's part of their collective. 
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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #81 - May 13th, 2024 at 11:21pm
 
All political lemmings have a collective mindset.... the dead set Commos call them 'useful fools/tools' - since they actually despise them as being lesser human beings than they themselves are... as such they are only there to be used until their usefulness is at an end and then dispensed with/disposed of in some way .......

As I've explained about Hitler and the Voice - the Commos have also stated what they will do clearly - why should anyone be surprised when they go about doing it?

Wake Up, Australia!!
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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #82 - May 14th, 2024 at 12:22am
 
iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am:
Things that need to be said at the beginning:
-I consider myself to be an independent centrist.
-I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide.
-While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts.
-I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line.

"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth.
I guess I will find out here, hopefully.





Eat a dick you RuZZian disinformation troll.
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Reply #83 - May 14th, 2024 at 12:46am
 
"Ahhh... Houston - we've had a problem!"

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"It looks like we've had an implosion of the MARLA ... it's spinning wildly... venting into space ......"

"Have you tried to isolate it with the MOTHRA switch?"

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"Have you tried repeated thrusts?"

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #84 - May 14th, 2024 at 1:37am
 
You know you think you're cool with your silly font and glib anti-everything that isn't right-wing fascism but you're not.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm headed to the WEED STORE. Right after I get gas and some breakfast.
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Reply #85 - May 14th, 2024 at 2:53am
 
Marla wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 1:37am:
You know you think you're cool with your silly font and glib anti-everything that isn't right-wing fascism but you're not.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm headed to the WEED STORE. Right after I get gas and some breakfast.


I know you're not serious.  I'm way too old and too square to be cool in any way, and you wouldn't waste your life on weed... that's just a front to protect your sensitive being... you know you're intelligent, articulate and very spiritual in some ways..... weed destroys spirituality... but you know that, and I know you don't use it.
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Reply #86 - May 14th, 2024 at 7:05am
 
LucyFur wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 6:37pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 5:34pm:
I'm a Centrist as well. Although I originated from the Conservative Left.
I believe in both the Right and Left working together for a greater good for only a greater good can come of such.

I do not like the Extremists be they Left or Right.
Those tend to move as far from each other to the point they can't see their opposition for who they are and thus think they are the 'only ones' that matter.


Exactly that.
Both political divides exist so that they can tell each other when they each screw up.  Grin

Extremism such as communism, nazism seems to not even have anything to do with what they stood up for in the first place on the closer to the middle left-wing/right-wing. It's also forced on the population which I don't believe in because where there is variation you cannot oppress the minority, there must be freedom for people even when they go wrong in terms of thinking, and it is better that they learn from their mistakes and do not get killed for thinking and existing: white supremacy and antisemitism. (But for breathing yes.) It is true that racists abide by the right, particularly the extremist right, but then again, normal left-wing people are more selfish in statistics.

Right extremism like anti-immigration are not sustainable, people like to have relatives join them sometimes, and for a small population like AUS it wouldn't be an issue, US is a disaster internally, so sewing its borders up would be useless. If either would move to the moon, I betcha people would still want to leave, as well as want to come to live there, it wouldn't make up a crisis situation. Trump should of focused on ruining the false popularity of the US because everybody thinks it's the land of freedom and where dreams come true but it's the poo hole of the world, being worse in some instances than other countries considered such, with the population being not only uneducated regardless of holding the most data and studies online in comprehensive form but also with people who are judgeful and a corrupt system where lying gets you further in life and rich, even in the acting career.

Milleniarian conspiracies that the second coming of Jesus is to be expected, when every year they announced it, and where the proof for it as well as religion itself is lacking, as religious extremism. Or the New World Qrder panic propaganda about Jews, Illuminati and the silly Freemasons taking over the world with communist regimes, another form of right-wing extremism that resides in emotionalism and what if it exists, belief based on nothing just like religion.






Wrong..... the current levels(numbers) of immigration to Australia is what is unsustainable.

Bringing numbers back to realistically sustainable levels is not "right-wing extremism".

We can't provide housing for our own citizens ... how can we house nearly 1 million immigrants per year?

Ask yourself is the push for Big Australia via immigration left-wing extremism?
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Reply #87 - May 14th, 2024 at 7:09am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm:
Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time.

Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!!

Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh.....


Grin Now now Graps .... plenty of uneducated hicks  beyond the Blue Mtns/Great Divide in NSW in Johs era as well.

Despite Johs failings he got things done in QLD for QLDers.
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Reply #88 - May 14th, 2024 at 7:26am
 
iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:01pm:
LucyFur wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:21pm:
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race obsession

Do you mean fairness and equality ?"


I mean they bring race into most things.


Every race bar one

that race is to blame for all the worlds ills

that's self loathing progressive leftism
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Reply #89 - May 14th, 2024 at 7:33am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2023 at 12:05pm:
iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:10pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:41pm:
iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:11pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that.

None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left.

Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.


The "right" is "a broad church".
The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?  Wink

But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide.  Cool


Quote:
The "right" is "a broad church".


The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right.

The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad.

Quote:
The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?


Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed.

Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims.

Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies.


I was talking about Australian politics when I said that.


Even in Australian politics the right leans heavily towards authoritarianism. The US examples stand out more. Progressivism almost does not exist at the top level of Australian politics on either the right or left.

I am not sure if corruption in Australian politics is better or worse but it is certainly better hidden. It may be more dangerous.



Don't tell me you don't think that the current Labor Govt isn't acting in an authoritarian manner with the decisions they are making for us, the citizens?

Penny Wong/Albanese govt voting for the Palestinians(Hamas & the PLO) inclusion on the UN?

Supporting proscribed terrorist groups instead of abstaining & remaining with the status quo .... they have chosen to cause secular division & encourage anti-Semitism/Jew hating in Australia.

They should be ashamed of themselves and the stupidity of their decision. 
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