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Reply #60 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:41pm

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that.

None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left.

Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.

The "right" is "a broad church".
The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember? Wink

But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide. Cool

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The "right" is "a broad church".

The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right.

The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad.

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The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?

Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed.

Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims.

Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #62 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:43pm

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:35pm:

LucyFur wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:33pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time.

Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund! That says it all!!

Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh.....

Moit, you are showing your age. Wink

R u sayin we get to tLK to a dinosaur?

I'm one too.

You look like a puppy to me. But then again I'm a T-Rex.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #63 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:44pm

LucyFur wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:43pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:35pm:

LucyFur wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:33pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time.

Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund! That says it all!!

Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh.....

Moit, you are showing your age. Wink

R u sayin we get to tLK to a dinosaur?

I'm one too.

You look like a puppy to me. But then again I'm a T-Rex.

Poor Steve-Steve!

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #64 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:47pm

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time.

Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund! That says it all!!

Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh.....

Moit, you are showing your age. Wink

Flo made pumpkin scones.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #65 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:45pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:46pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Things that need to be said at the beginning:
-I consider myself to be an independent centrist.
-I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide.
-While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts.
-I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line.

"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth.
I guess I will find out here, hopefully.

All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover.

The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.

The right of politics is focused on individuality.
Ppl are encouraged to secure their own financial independence.
Ppl are encouraged to become entrepreneurs.
Small and big businesses are better catered for.

Ideals of the past. You could not get much further from the current practise of right wing politics.

We will have to agree to disagree.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #67 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:06pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:54pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

"Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with.
"You are with us or against us" mentality.

Can you name an ideology worth being called one that does not bind you to orthodoxy?

Not sure what you mean, but most of the "progressives" on the website I was on had zero tolerance for anyone who wasn't fully committed to "The Narrative".
If you aren't with them, you are a fascist.
Trying to have an intelligent conversation about climate change is virtually impossible there, for example.
Those on the right and centre were more tolerant of different reason-based opinions.

We have those here except they like "extreme or alt" right rather than nazi but they do that too in a pinch.

The centrist and conservatives tended to be more rational and less emotional on the other website I was on.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #68 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that.

None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left.

Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.

The "right" is "a broad church".
The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember? Wink

But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide. Cool

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The "right" is "a broad church".

The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right.

The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad.

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The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?

Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed.

Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims.

Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies.

I was talking about Australian politics when I said that.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #69 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 12:05pm

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that.

None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left.

Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.

The "right" is "a broad church".
The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember? Wink

But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide. Cool

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The "right" is "a broad church".

The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right.

The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad.

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The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?

Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed.

Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims.

Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies.

I was talking about Australian politics when I said that.

Even in Australian politics the right leans heavily towards authoritarianism. The US examples stand out more. Progressivism almost does not exist at the top level of Australian politics on either the right or left.

I am not sure if corruption in Australian politics is better or worse but it is certainly better hidden. It may be more dangerous.

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Reply #71 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:35pm

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for

Progressives in a nutshell.

The exact opposite of what is true.

If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ?

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Reply #72 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:42pm

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that.

None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left.

Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.

The "right" is "a broad church".
The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember? Wink

But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide. Cool

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The "right" is "a broad church".

The right have claimed to be a broad church for at least 50 years since they were a broad church if they ever were.

The Right currently have 2 factions the MAGA crowd who are neither conservatives of republicans and in fact are RINOs.

And the RINOS who are the failed sorry remnants of traditional Republicans.
Worse than that is the fact that there is no such thing as a religious right, its an oxymoron at best. There is little less religious than the right of politics in any form or in any place.

The term The "right" is a "narrow sewer" seems more appropriate.

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Re: Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Reply #73 - May 11^th, 2024 at 10:59am

Progressive crusade to bend arc of history

The Australian Law Reform Commission wants section 38 of the Sex Discrimination Act, which allows religious schools to hire those whose lives and ideas accord “with the doctrines, tenets, beliefs or teachings of a particular religion or creed”, to be abolished.

When you lose the freedom to manifest your faith, abide by your beliefs and the liberty to ensure your children are educated in your creed, what is left? The commission is erasing the right of a religious school to organise around its own ethos.

This is an extreme form of laicism, driven by a fierce “progressive” crusade against Christianity. In a multifaith society that means all believers are on this battlefield, as the institutions of government are mobilised against them. Like many things dubbed progressive, it is the latest incarnation of the despotic tendencies of the Bureautoracy (n): the ubiquitous, unelected technocratic blob bent on imposing its notion of utopia on the mob. Its relentlessly mutating dogma has spread like Paterson’s curse through all the institutions.

The child has turned on a parent it does not recognise because the source code of this secular faith is the notion of universal human rights. That idea was born with the belief that each individual is valued by God, an avowedly Christian concept and part of a set of revolutionary beliefs that the early faithful simply called “The Way”.
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As historian Tom Holland demonstrates in his epic work Dominion: The Making of the Western Mind, “To live in a Western country is to live in a society that is utterly saturated by Christian concepts and assumptions.”

It is, of course, a heritage that the zealots of the New Way deny. To them their belief system is self-evident because it just is. It is neutral. It is agnostic. That is a delusion. The New Way exhibits some of the best and all the worst features of a proselytising religion. It looks to uplift, to guide, to build a better, more just world. It is also deeply intolerant of dissent and has established the institutions of inquisition to police heresy, in state and federal human rights commissions...

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What religious institutions don’t want is to be forced to submit to state diktats that deliberately undermine the ethos of their institution. Here let’s recall that the Labor Party pledge demands its members not be a part of any other organisation that is inimical to its ideals. Why shouldn’t religious schools enjoy the same right?

Chris Uhlmann

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/progressive-crusade-to-bend-arc-of-his...

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Reply #74 - May 13^th, 2024 at 5:21pm

**coughs** there are certain groups who will not abide by this - meaning the aim is to destroy Western culture including religious belief. Clearly certain other groups will not accept or even tolerate such a move as this...

Remember, I hold no religious beliefs other than what I call a vague Buddhist/Plains Indian type of 'belonging' to the universe of which we are all part - Anglican/Catholic/Jewish remember - and way beyond any redemption.... and so I speak as an impartial observer.

Law Reform Commission - three lies for the price of one.... it doesn't operate legally under Law (not law)... it never seeks to reform anything, just create new problems from old .... and its only reference to a commission is in its title.....another unelected body that feels some right to dictate...... and you all wonder why I am re-visiting old tracts about the Nazis etc ... those 'leftist' national Socialists ....

If only I could wake you up - make you truly Woke instead of borderline fantasy woke.

Discussing with a 'tranny' last night and he said (wants to be a girl) that some things are not observable under a microscope but only in the mind..... I thanked him for his frank admission that this gender thing is a mind thing and has no physical reality .... he also referred to 'trans women and women', and I thanked him for understanding the difference, and explained that all this meant he was partly on the road to recovery.

I didn't mention the old truism that in head things, there is a chance to cure a psychological issue, but rarely any chance to cure a psychiatric one ... a 'disorder' as opposed to a psychosis.... here was a clear case where early intervention with proper psych procedures may well save a person from the lemming rush to ....

**THREE out of three kids over the weekend who wanted to be 'transgender' and argue against my stance admitted to serious underlying issues.....one had a terrible childhood.... one admitted to being autistic .... can't recall the other one off-hand - didn't take notes... and the 'adult' who reckons he has it all in front of him and 'the science' is clear and transgender positive - will NOT accept the challenge to go to one of these review committees and lay down his 'science', by which action he would clearly win the day for transgender ideology... IF that 'science was so solid and irrefutable (not like my Labrador with his Ming The Merciless face - that's Inscrutabre!!) ...

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