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Why I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology".
Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am
 
Things that need to be said at the beginning:
-I consider myself to be an independent centrist.
-I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide.
-While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts.
-I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line.

"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth.
I guess I will find out here, hopefully.


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Reply #1 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 12:54pm
 
Great stuff Steve, I'm much the same myself, centrist, but varying according to economic conditions

I've been a union co-delegate, and I've been a sole-trader. Both sides gave me valuable insight into labour and capital. I wasn't born just a lefty or just a righty

My mum was a Labor type person, and my dad was a Liberal voter all his life. I got to understand each of their political "stories", so my politics is a blend of both, but never taking sides

Therefore, I've never voted for the divisive major parties, they use only half their brains. The Laborites use one half, and the Liberals use the other half, both never using their whole brains

This "half brain" philosophy may have worked in the past, when constituents were ignorant, dumb and politically aggressive, but it's now past it's use-by date, evidenced by new discoveries in psychology that are surpassing old ways of conditioning of the mind, different voting patterns, and lower primary votes for the Lib and Lab parties

The original intent of "Progressive" ideology has been twisted by every political man and his dog, and in Australia, the two major parties have their own unique take on it, the ascent of homosexuality and women wearing the pants, the exact opposite to Islam, and how many muslims and mosques are there in Australia?, with more coming in. So you can see how the half brain works, it doesn't work, it only promotes conflict. "Conflict is healthy for democracy" they say, well, not any longer

The original intent of Progressivism was far more broad-ranging than what the "half brain" Libs and Labs will ever understand or apply

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Reply #2 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm
 
Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to?

The US progressive anti corruption in politics and govern for the benefit of the people instead of corporate America type of Progressivism or something more associated with the corporate democrats who are just as corrupt as the Republicans ?

Policy such as $15 minimum wage, Fixing Health care, Education costs, sensible gun control etc.
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Reply #3 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:40pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm:
Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to?





iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am:
"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.
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Reply #4 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm
 
iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am:
Things that need to be said at the beginning:
-I consider myself to be an independent centrist.
-I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide.
-While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts.
-I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line.

"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth.
I guess I will find out here, hopefully.

All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover.

The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.

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Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:55pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm:
All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover.

The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.




What is yours?  What collective do you call your own?
Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination?
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Reply #6 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:40pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm:
Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to?





iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am:
"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.


Hey Frank-Steve. You OK today.


Frank does Steve have anything with more substance ? Should you be addressed to answer all his questions ?

What is it about anti corruption that is overly about feeling ? How does that make corrupt politics OK because there are no feelings only cash.

Why is having a sensible minimum wage not a critically thought out position?

Why is the government paying 10 X more for healthcare for less than 25% of the service anywhere else while healthcare is unaffordable to average people not to be addressed with well thought out policy changes?


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Reply #7 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:05pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm:
All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover.

The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.




What is yours?  What collective do you call your own?
Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination?

Ah, Tautologies! The 'union of one'.

Abandon Ideology - J B Peterson.
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Reply #8 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:05pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:40pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm:
Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to?





iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am:
"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.


As you know Frank from just a few days ago when you displayed your lack of understanding as to what progressive means that the question is well worth asking.

Steve may be able to tach us something - NO ?
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Reply #9 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:10pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:05pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm:
All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover.

The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.




What is yours?  What collective do you call your own?
Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination?

Ah, Tautologies! The 'union of one'.

Abandon Ideology - J B Peterson.


Yeah - all the ideology-free people.  For them only OTHER people have ideologies.
Or rich diverse cultures.

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Reply #10 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:10pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:05pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm:
All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover.

The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.




What is yours?  What collective do you call your own?
Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination?

Ah, Tautologies! The 'union of one'.

Abandon Ideology - J B Peterson.


Yeah - all the ideology-free people.  For them only OTHER people have ideologies.
Or rich diverse cultures.


I don't think anybody lives ideology-free.

But there's a difference between a personal/private ideology and those that are published and prescribed to all and for all.

And then there's the visionary's corruption - the sort that kept Muhammed running up to that cave for the next 'this just in' as his ambitions and appetites broadened.
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Reply #11 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:36pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 12:54pm:
Great stuff Steve, I'm much the same myself, centrist, but varying according to economic conditions


The original intent of "Progressive" ideology has been twisted by every political man and his dog, and in Australia, the two major parties have their own unique take on it, the ascent of homosexuality and women wearing the pants, the exact opposite to Islam, and how many muslims and mosques are there in Australia?, with more coming in. So you can see how the half brain works, it doesn't work, it only promotes conflict. "Conflict is healthy for democracy" they say, well, not any longer

The original intent of Progressivism was far more broad-ranging than what the "half brain" Libs and Labs will ever understand or apply



Two considerations:
1. I am still in the research phase about politics.
2. Many ideas for me came from an Amerikan context.

What do you see as the main features of the "Progressivism" we have here in Australia?


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Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:52pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm:
Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to?

The US progressive anti corruption in politics and govern for the benefit of the people instead of corporate America type of Progressivism or something more associated with the corporate democrats who are just as corrupt as the Republicans ?

Policy such as $15 minimum wage, Fixing Health care, Education costs, sensible gun control etc.


The majority of "Progressives" I have been communicating with emphasise things such as "Universal Health Care", wealth distribution, and social justice, particularly for the LGBQT+ community.
To be clear, I don't have a problem with this.

I do have a problem with such things as "Cancel Culture", Groupthink, "feelings being more important than the facts", race obsession, and misrepresentation designed to shut down discussing anything they disagree with.
"Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with.
"You are with us or against us" mentality.


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Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 5:34pm
 
I'm a Centrist as well. Although I originated from the Conservative Left.
I believe in both the Right and Left working together for a greater good for only a greater good can come of such.

I do not like the Extremists be they Left or Right.
Those tend to move as far from each other to the point they can't see their opposition for who they are and thus think they are the 'only ones' that matter.

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Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 5:40pm
 
Democrats: the Blue North Yankees (and Gay/Trans Woke)
Confederates: the Grey South Rebels (and Rednecks)

Republicans: the Red East
White Supremacists: the White and true 'Western' Party.

Why the Democrats will 'Suicide' in self-destruction, in opposition to their former Confederates who were defeated by 'War'? Because the North South combination is out-dated and of no longer any purpose to the future.

The Cherokee Indians had a Red War Party and White Peace Party and the Red Republicans of the East are merely waiting for the Blue North to 'hang' before opposing the emergence of the White Supremacists as the true 'Western' expression of Politics and ironically, against all 'expectations' - they will come to 'rise' by PEACEFUL means, not violence.

...the wheel, keeps turning and the Blue North Democrats will be held accountable for their INTERNATIONAL CRIMES.
Just like their Grey South Confederates were held accountable for their DOMESTIC CRIMES.

What goes around, comes around. Wink
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