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Re: Indonesia
Reply #30 - Oct 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 7^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 11:30am:

West Papua Liberation Army fighters linked with kidnapped pilot Phillip Mark Mehrtens killed in clash Angry

Maybe these are the people we should be arming.... Wink

Small hope after all it was Australian political gutlessness that helped Indonesia to take over the country.

We allowed the Indonesian take over of West New Guinea because we were powerless to stop it. America was more interested in being allowed to passage their SLBM submarines through the straits between the islands to allow them to attack the fUSSR and turn their back on Australia's request for aide. It was one of the reasons why we became embroiled in South Vietnam. Australia believed that Indonesia was a "fellow traveler" with the Communists.

Precisely, Australia’s gutlessness.
Just like the later gutlessness when the five Australian journalists were murdered.

Australia had just undergone a massive political upheaval at the time. We were just recovering from a massive social upheaval at the same time. Australia's "gutlessness" was beyond it's control and we would more than likely be defeated if we put some boots on the ground, we were completely unprepared for the Indonesians taking over of East Timor. The Americans had OK'ed it apparently, with their secretary of state visiting Jakarta the day before it's occurrence. They wanted to prevent a Marxist takeover of the place, which was likely. We relearnt a valuable lesson - you must have force to back your diplomacy when you attempt to deal with dictators.

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Reply #31 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:27am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 7^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 11:30am:

West Papua Liberation Army fighters linked with kidnapped pilot Phillip Mark Mehrtens killed in clash Angry

Maybe these are the people we should be arming.... Wink

Small hope after all it was Australian political gutlessness that helped Indonesia to take over the country.

We allowed the Indonesian take over of West New Guinea because we were powerless to stop it. America was more interested in being allowed to passage their SLBM submarines through the straits between the islands to allow them to attack the fUSSR and turn their back on Australia's request for aide. It was one of the reasons why we became embroiled in South Vietnam. Australia believed that Indonesia was a "fellow traveler" with the Communists.

Precisely, Australia’s gutlessness.
Just like the later gutlessness when the five Australian journalists were murdered.

Australia had just undergone a massive political upheaval at the time. We were just recovering from a massive social upheaval at the same time. Australia's "gutlessness" was beyond it's control and we would more than likely be defeated if we put some boots on the ground, we were completely unprepared for the Indonesians taking over of East Timor. The Americans had OK'ed it apparently, with their secretary of state visiting Jakarta the day before it's occurrence. They wanted to prevent a Marxist takeover of the place, which was likely. We relearnt a valuable lesson - you must have force to back your diplomacy when you attempt to deal with dictators.

And we still wouldn’t say boo!
We still don’t have the capacity to stop Indonesia from doing whatever they want in west New Guinea, we’re a small country with a big land mass.why do we give aid to Indonesia; kickbacks perhaps?
If we are in fact stronger than we look, why don’t we offer aid to the opposition in West New Guinea?
One word comes to mind . . . Gutlessness.

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Reply #32 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 1:56pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

And we still wouldn’t say boo!
We still don’t have the capacity to stop Indonesia from doing whatever they want in west New Guinea, we’re a small country with a big land mass.why do we give aid to Indonesia; kickbacks perhaps?
If we are in fact stronger than we look, why don’t we offer aid to the opposition in West New Guinea?
One word comes to mind . . . Gutlessness.

We are a lot more able then we were in 1960 and 1975. We have acquired two LHD ships, the HMAS CANBERRA and HMAS ADELAIDE. In addition we have acquired HMAS CHOULES a Bay-class landing ship. This enables us to put ashore three battalions of infantry and an armoured squadron. Something we were incapable of. Australia has also allied itself with Indonesia. West New Guinea is considered an integral part of Indonesia. We are loath to declare war on countries were are allied with. Indonesia respects Australia. It owes it's independence to us, when we stopped the loading the munitions for the Dutch forces in 1948. Only Xenophobes want war. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #33 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 5:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 1:56pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

And we still wouldn’t say boo!
We still don’t have the capacity to stop Indonesia from doing whatever they want in west New Guinea, we’re a small country with a big land mass.why do we give aid to Indonesia; kickbacks perhaps?
If we are in fact stronger than we look, why don’t we offer aid to the opposition in West New Guinea?
One word comes to mind . . . Gutlessness.

We are a lot more able then we were in 1960 and 1975. We have acquired two LHD ships, the HMAS CANBERRA and HMAS ADELAIDE. In addition we have acquired HMAS CHOULES a Bay-class landing ship. This enables us to put ashore three battalions of infantry and an armoured squadron. Something we were incapable of. Australia has also allied itself with Indonesia. West New Guinea is considered an integral part of Indonesia. We are loath to declare war on countries were are allied with. Indonesia respects Australia. It owes it's independence to us, when we stopped the loading the munitions for the Dutch forces in 1948. Only Xenophobes want war. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So Australia says stuff the people who helped us against the Japanese and good on the ones that supported the Japs against us.
To hell with the right of the West New Guinea people to independence.
As I said, gutlessness.

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Reply #34 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 5:18pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

So Australia says stuff the people who helped us against the Japanese and good on the ones that supported the Japs against us.
To hell with the right of the West New Guinea people to independence.
As I said, gutlessness.

A case of REALPOLITIK in action. You prepared to see us go to war all the time, like a true Xenophobe does, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #35 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 7:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

So Australia says stuff the people who helped us against the Japanese and good on the ones that supported the Japs against us.
To hell with the right of the West New Guinea people to independence.
As I said, gutlessness.

A case of REALPOLITIK in action. You prepared to see us go to war all the time, like a true Xenophobe does, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Gutlessness.
The Timor people are another example, they stood by us against the Japs and enabled our troops in Timor to fight on and what did it get them?
No support when they needed it against the Indonesian invasion. It was not till the UN finally did something that we got involved.
A record of political gutlessness, and now they may look to China for a bit of backing, and who could blame them?

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Reply #36 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 5:01pm

We did not have the backing of the US, either in 1960 or 1975. What were we meant to do? Well? We had just suffered a massive social upheaval, the population wasn't interested in going into another war, the Government was just about to be dismissed, so what were we meant to do? Lets see your magic formula to overcome all those problems, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #37 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 6:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 5:01pm:

We did not have the backing of the US, either in 1960 or 1975. What were we meant to do? Well? We had just suffered a massive social upheaval, the population wasn't interested in going into another war, the Government was just about to be dismissed, so what were we meant to do? Lets see your magic formula to overcome all those problems, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Do the honourable thing and speak up.
We got stupidly involved in Vietnam, we could have just spoken up for our wartime ally, Ho Chi Minh.
Australia has an unfortunate habit of selling out its little friends and sucking up to its perceived big ones.

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 45209	Re: Indonesia Reply #43 - Mar 20^th, 2025 at 9:31pm Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 20^th, 2025 at 8:48pm: Quote: Indonesia plans to build 100 mosques in Gaza Strip https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250129-indonesia-plans-to-build-100-mosques-... Are they going to divert our foreign aid to build these mosques? Doubtful.
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Reply #44 - Mar 20^th, 2025 at 9:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20^th, 2025 at 9:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 20^th, 2025 at 8:48pm:

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Indonesia plans to build 100 mosques in Gaza Strip

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250129-indonesia-plans-to-build-100-mosques-...

Are they going to divert our foreign aid to build these mosques?

Doubtful.

We give them nearly $1million a day do we know where all that money goes?

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