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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 45209	Re: Indonesia Reply #15 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:57pm New video shows NZ pilot Phillip Mehrtens alive and well nearly three months after being kidnapped by West Papua separatists
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25112 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Indonesia Reply #16 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:00pm Do you think West Papua will ever get independence and perhaps join PNG?
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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 45209	Re: Indonesia Reply #17 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:46pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:00pm: Do you think West Papua will ever get independence and perhaps join PNG? Doubtful. It's best chance was in 1960 but because the US pulled out of backing Australia and the Netherlands in their efforts, the idea basically died. We lacked the military means to force it alone.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25112 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Indonesia Reply #18 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:50pm It is probably a strategic thing to let Indonesia rule West Papua.
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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 45209	Re: Indonesia Reply #19 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:59pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:50pm: It is probably a strategic thing to let Indonesia rule West Papua. I am sure the OPM disagree with you, as perhaps many West New Guineans, Unsub.
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Reply #20 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 4:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

It is probably a strategic thing to let Indonesia rule West Papua.

I am sure the OPM disagree with you, as perhaps many West New Guineans, Unsub. Angry

I don't know what is "OPM". And I have implied that outsiders would have wanted Indonesia to rule West Papua.

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Reply #21 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 5:28pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 4:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

It is probably a strategic thing to let Indonesia rule West Papua.

I am sure the OPM disagree with you, as perhaps many West New Guineans, Unsub. Angry

I don't know what is "OPM". And I have implied that outsiders would have wanted Indonesia to rule West Papua.

"OPM" stands for Organisasi Papua Merdeka - Free Papua Movement - they are the major organisation which is resisting the imposition of Indonesian rule over West New Guinea.

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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 45209	Re: Indonesia Reply #22 - Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:10pm New Zealand PM calls for the release of pilot kidnapped by separatists in Indonesia's Papua region
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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 45209	Re: Indonesia Reply #23 - Aug 11^th, 2023 at 9:04pm Indonesia receives donated Bushmasters
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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 45209	Re: Indonesia Reply #24 - Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 11:30am West Papua Liberation Army fighters linked with kidnapped pilot Phillip Mark Mehrtens killed in clash
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5975 Gender:	Re: Indonesia Reply #25 - Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 1:23pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 9:04pm: Indonesia receives donated Bushmasters The only reason I can see a reason for any sort of military aid to the Indons is to enable them to be a better speed bump against Chinese expansion.
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5975 Gender:	Re: Indonesia Reply #26 - Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 1:24pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 11:30am: West Papua Liberation Army fighters linked with kidnapped pilot Phillip Mark Mehrtens killed in clash Maybe these are the people we should be arming....
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Reply #27 - Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 6:32pm

Belgarion wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 11:30am:

West Papua Liberation Army fighters linked with kidnapped pilot Phillip Mark Mehrtens killed in clash Angry

Maybe these are the people we should be arming.... Wink

Small hope after all it was Australian political gutlessness that helped Indonesia to take over the country.

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Reply #28 - Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 7:59pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 11:30am:

West Papua Liberation Army fighters linked with kidnapped pilot Phillip Mark Mehrtens killed in clash Angry

Maybe these are the people we should be arming.... Wink

Small hope after all it was Australian political gutlessness that helped Indonesia to take over the country.

We allowed the Indonesian take over of West New Guinea because we were powerless to stop it. America was more interested in being allowed to passage their SLBM submarines through the straits between the islands to allow them to attack the fUSSR and turn their back on Australia's request for aide. It was one of the reasons why we became embroiled in South Vietnam. Australia believed that Indonesia was a "fellow traveler" with the Communists.

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Reply #29 - Oct 7^th, 2023 at 2:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 1:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2023 at 11:30am:

West Papua Liberation Army fighters linked with kidnapped pilot Phillip Mark Mehrtens killed in clash Angry

Maybe these are the people we should be arming.... Wink

Small hope after all it was Australian political gutlessness that helped Indonesia to take over the country.

We allowed the Indonesian take over of West New Guinea because we were powerless to stop it. America was more interested in being allowed to passage their SLBM submarines through the straits between the islands to allow them to attack the fUSSR and turn their back on Australia's request for aide. It was one of the reasons why we became embroiled in South Vietnam. Australia believed that Indonesia was a "fellow traveler" with the Communists.

Precisely, Australia’s gutlessness.
Just like the later gutlessness when the five Australian journalists were murdered.

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