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Most Tolled City In The World,And Its In Australia
Feb 8th, 2023 at 6:14am
 
Labor MP accuses Dom Perrottet of trying to hide $180m toll hike
The cost of soaring road tolls in one state is staggering as Aussies battle a cost of living crisis.   Sad


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February 7, 2023

A Labor MP has questioned the record price hikes on Sydney’s roads as the latest data reveals drivers paid an extra $180m in tolls in the last year.

Private toll operator Transurban released its half-year results on Tuesday and road revenue was up by almost 60 per cent.

“Tolls have never been this high,” NSW opposition roads spokesman John Graham said.

Toll revenue has spiked by $180m in the last year.

“Sydney was already the most tolled city in the world. Today that situation got worse as these results reveal that record inflation and record toll traffic have driven record toll revenue.”   Sad

Toll revenue from the M4 motorway has increased 44 per cent from $120m to $173m, while the M8 and M5 East rose by 54 per cent, from $88m to $136m.

Northconnex has gone up by 55 per cent, from $52m to $80m, and on the M5 West, toll revenue has climbed 43 per cent, from $118m to $169m.

Mr Graham claims the privatisation of toll roads under the Perrottet government has led to the record tolls.

“This is a problem of the government’s own making – they have signed secret contracts and privatised toll roads,” he said.

Toll revenue from the M4 motorway has soared by $53m.

Mr Graham is calling for reform and the state government’s full toll review to be released to the public.



“Toll reform is needed in Sydney, but the Premier seems to have given up, instead hiding the toll review until after the election,” he said.

“It should be released immediately.”

The half-year market briefing also suggests that future toll road privatisations are possible on the M6, Western Harbour Tunnel, Sydney Harbour Tunnel and Beaches Link.

NSW Metropolitan Roads Minister Natalie Ward responded to the criticism, saying “increased traffic on Sydney roads is irrefutable proof the economy is bouncing back following the pandemic”.

Metropolitan Roads Minister Natalie Ward has asked Labor to present its own toll relief policy.

“It demonstrates drivers are choosing to use these major infrastructure projects because it gives them more time to spend with those they love,” she said.

“These are transformative projects which Labor has opposed every step of the way.”

Ms Ward said Labor had yet to reveal its toll relief policy.

“Labor’s only policy on toll relief so far has been to adopt our toll rebate scheme which is putting up to $750 back in the pockets of Sydney drivers,” she said.

Transurban chief executive Scott Charlton also put the increased revenue down to the increased value of and therefore traffic on the city’s toll roads.

“This result shows that our customers continue to recognise and see substantial value in our assets,” he said.

“What we see with record traffic numbers is that people still see a lot of value in toll roads.”
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Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 6:16am
 
Get rid of road tolls.   Sad
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Reply #2 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 6:27am
 
Now is your chance to demonstrate your critical thinking skills WK. What do you think was the primary cause of the increase in revenue?
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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 6:31am
 
I wonder if it was greed.   Sad
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Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 7:31am
 
One of the things I really like about Perth and WA.

No toll roads.  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:11am
 
Always was a disgrace when a sitting 'premier' actually bought in to the privatisation of OUR roads for his own profit and that of his wife... and brought along a full set of vultures with him... and ICAC slept on and on and still does while he reaps millions a year from this 'business venture that just happened to fall into his lap' .... and the good people of NSW say nothing.... most of them - being Outlanders these days - KNOW nothing yet get to alter our constitution...

Bet you wouldn't get to do that in Iran or China or anywhere else....

Name me a country where a Split Cit can vote after two years to alter the Constitution of the country that took them in....... are any of you serious?

I thought WE never ceded our sovereignty ........................
... damn - of course we didn't - it was stolen from us while we slept in trust by Outlanders brought in to do just that so as to reduce the personal and political power of the individual here to smooth the way to Power for the political classes and their running dogs...

How many other countries do YOU know that will bring in heaps of people with zero idea and then hand them the right to alter our way of life and our written constitution at the drop of some idiot's hat?

I hear you - I'm just that lone voice howling in the wilderness of your New Minds controlled by Big Brother... stay away from the town water....

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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:21am
 
Some of the Tolled Freeways have already been paid for by the Tolls and yet they still operate.
About 10 years ago, I saw a list of the amount made from the Tolls at the time and if I remember correctly, the M7 Toll made the most, although it offered 10kms less than the others. The Northern Sydney Tolls also made a lot more than the others.

The sad thing about Sydney is that is poorly planned.
I had the fluke circumstance of actually meeting the person in charge (years ago) of fixing Sydney's Traffic infrastructure and I mentioned that the problem was easy - making Parramatta the major CBD in Sydney so everyone had easy and equal access from all points of the city (like Melbourne) and not have to squeeze into a bottleneck situation to the east into Sydney Harbour.
He said that they did think of that but the $billions involved of restructuring that wasn't feasible (what about the money made from Tolls?).
So I just said, "May the Force be with you then. Because Sydney was built for Boats, not Cars. (etc)"

Thus Sydney is forced to use Tunnels here there an everywhere. I even worked in the pre-stage surveying of one tunnel that they didn't want the public to know about (going under Balmain) because once things officially begin - the public can't stop it with Protests, etc.
I also worked awhile on the Upgrade of Castle Hill that was designed for Horse and Carriage and not the larger Vehicles of today and that took a few years of widening everything.

Personally, I don't see Sydney improving with the majority of the traffic trying to squeeze into...

...[edit] a tiny bottleneck and 'cove'.
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Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:43am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:21am:
Some of the Tolled Freeways have already been paid for by the Tolls and yet they still operate.
About 10 years ago, I saw a list of the amount made from the Tolls at the time and if I remember correctly, the M7 Toll made the most, although it offered 10kms less than the others. The Northern Sydney Tolls also made a lot more than the others.

The sad thing about Sydney is that is poorly planned.
I had the fluke circumstance of actually meeting the person in charge (years ago) of fixing Sydney's Traffic infrastructure and I mentioned that the problem was easy - making Parramatta the major CBD in Sydney so everyone had easy and equal access from all points of the city (like Melbourne) and not have to squeeze into a bottleneck situation to the east into Sydney Harbour.
He said that they did think of that but the $billions involved of restructuring that wasn't feasible (what about the money made from Tolls?).
So I just said, "May the Force be with you then. Because Sydney was built for Boats, not Cars. (etc)"

Thus Sydney is forced to use Tunnels here there an everywhere. I even worked in the pre-stage surveying of one tunnel that they didn't want the public to know about (going under Balmain) because once things officially begin - the public can't stop it with Protests, etc.
I also worked awhile on the Upgrade of Castle Hill that was designed for Horse and Carriage and not the larger Vehicles of today and that took a few years of widening everything.

Personally, I don't see Sydney improving with the majority of the traffic trying to squeeze into


Years ago I proposed TSTCL (testicle for short) - the Trans Sydney Tunnels Corporation Limited - even put together a major plan etc...
..... today on the stock market TESTICLE shares went up 3.3%.... Hot Air Sydney took a dive.....

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Reply #8 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 12:43pm
 
As well as no toll roads we also don't have to pay for parking in shopping centres (as far as I'm aware -there's definitely no charge at Belmont Forum, just a 4 hour limit).

https://twitter.com/PMalinauskasMP/status/1623079494327357442

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BREAKING NEWS: Labor’s reforms to regulate shopping centre car parking have kicked in today.

This means that there are no longer car parking fees at Westfield West Lakes.

A big win for shoppers and workers!


You 'Eastern Staters' seem to be getting ripped off big time with toll roads and shopping centre parking fees.

(We do have paid parking at most of our hospitals though - and that's something that only started in the last 10 years or so).
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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:17pm
 
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL CARL that no one is forced to use a toll motorway in Sydney. You CHOOSE to use these tolled roads IF you WANT to.

Oh and as regards Westfields parking here in Sydney the 1st 4 hrs are free on a weekday and the 1st 3 hrs are free on a weekend.


Exhibit A

Westfield Bondi Junction uses a parking system that uses number plate recognition technology to replace paper tickets.

Read below to discover Westfield Plus and how the ticketless system works.

Unlock extended free parking with the Westfield Plus App

Enjoy 4 hours free parking Mon - Fri and 3 hours free on weekends, plus more exclusive benefits with Westfield Plus

Not a member yet? Download the free app today
Non-Westfield Plus customers will receive 2 hours free parking.


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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:40pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:17pm:
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL CARL that no one is forced to use a toll motorway in Sydney. You CHOOSE to use these tolled roads IF you WANT to.

Oh and as regards Westfields parking here in Sydney the 1st 4 hrs are free on a weekday and the 1st 3 hrs are free on a weekend.


Exhibit A

Westfield Bondi Junction uses a parking system that uses number plate recognition technology to replace paper tickets.

Read below to discover Westfield Plus and how the ticketless system works.

Unlock extended free parking with the Westfield Plus App

Enjoy 4 hours free parking Mon - Fri and 3 hours free on weekends, plus more exclusive benefits with Westfield Plus

Not a member yet? Download the free app today
Non-Westfield Plus customers will receive 2 hours free parking.


Cheers 👌




Not quite here in Brisbane.
If you are driving a truck from Ipswich to Pinkenba you must use the toll road (Logan mty, gateway extension) which will funnel you to the gateway bridge (toll bridge).
If you drive through town you will be fined.
That is forcing drivers to use the road and bridge, and the trucks pay substantially more than cars.




I also got told the other day by someone high up that you don't have to pay the tolls.
They can't take your licence or impound your vehicle anymore.
The penalties get passed on to spur and they chase you but will fold if you refuse to pay.
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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:49pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:17pm:
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL CARL that no one is forced to use a toll motorway in Sydney. You CHOOSE to use these tolled roads IF you WANT to.

Oh and as regards Westfields parking here in Sydney the 1st 4 hrs are free on a weekday and the 1st 3 hrs are free on a weekend.


Exhibit A

Westfield Bondi Junction uses a parking system that uses number plate recognition technology to replace paper tickets.

Read below to discover Westfield Plus and how the ticketless system works.

Unlock extended free parking with the Westfield Plus App

Enjoy 4 hours free parking Mon - Fri and 3 hours free on weekends, plus more exclusive benefits with Westfield Plus

Not a member yet? Download the free app today
Non-Westfield Plus customers will receive 2 hours free parking.


Cheers 👌




Not quite here in Brisbane.
If you are driving a truck from Ipswich to Pinkenba you must use the toll road (Logan mty, gateway extension) which will funnel you to the gateway bridge (toll bridge).
If you drive through town you will be fined.
That is forcing drivers to use the road and bridge, and the trucks pay substantially more than cars.





I also got told the other day by someone high up that you don't have to pay the tolls.
They can't take your licence or impound your vehicle anymore.
The penalties get passed on to spur and they chase you but will fold if you refuse to pay.


You gotta be bloody kidding me.

That's next level cruelty compliments of the Communist Chook you guys have in power there!
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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:58pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:49pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:17pm:
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL CARL that no one is forced to use a toll motorway in Sydney. You CHOOSE to use these tolled roads IF you WANT to.

Oh and as regards Westfields parking here in Sydney the 1st 4 hrs are free on a weekday and the 1st 3 hrs are free on a weekend.


Exhibit A

Westfield Bondi Junction uses a parking system that uses number plate recognition technology to replace paper tickets.

Read below to discover Westfield Plus and how the ticketless system works.

Unlock extended free parking with the Westfield Plus App

Enjoy 4 hours free parking Mon - Fri and 3 hours free on weekends, plus more exclusive benefits with Westfield Plus

Not a member yet? Download the free app today
Non-Westfield Plus customers will receive 2 hours free parking.


Cheers 👌




Not quite here in Brisbane.
If you are driving a truck from Ipswich to Pinkenba you must use the toll road (Logan mty, gateway extension) which will funnel you to the gateway bridge (toll bridge).
If you drive through town you will be fined.
That is forcing drivers to use the road and bridge, and the trucks pay substantially more than cars.





I also got told the other day by someone high up that you don't have to pay the tolls.
They can't take your licence or impound your vehicle anymore.
The penalties get passed on to spur and they chase you but will fold if you refuse to pay.


You gotta be bloody kidding me.

That's next level cruelty compliments of the Communist Chook you guys have in power there!



Started way before her.
It's the corporate government as a whole.

The TPP made it so easy.
You see, if we change the rules and it hinders the profits of this corporation, which it will, they can then sue our government.

http://www.aftinet.org.au/cms/isds-sue-governments-tpp-2013


All done behind closed doors.
Joyess world we live in hey?  Angry
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Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 2:18pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:58pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:49pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 1:17pm:
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL CARL that no one is forced to use a toll motorway in Sydney. You CHOOSE to use these tolled roads IF you WANT to.

Oh and as regards Westfields parking here in Sydney the 1st 4 hrs are free on a weekday and the 1st 3 hrs are free on a weekend.


Exhibit A

Westfield Bondi Junction uses a parking system that uses number plate recognition technology to replace paper tickets.

Read below to discover Westfield Plus and how the ticketless system works.

Unlock extended free parking with the Westfield Plus App

Enjoy 4 hours free parking Mon - Fri and 3 hours free on weekends, plus more exclusive benefits with Westfield Plus

Not a member yet? Download the free app today
Non-Westfield Plus customers will receive 2 hours free parking.


Cheers 👌




Not quite here in Brisbane.
If you are driving a truck from Ipswich to Pinkenba you must use the toll road (Logan mty, gateway extension) which will funnel you to the gateway bridge (toll bridge).
If you drive through town you will be fined.
That is forcing drivers to use the road and bridge, and the trucks pay substantially more than cars.





I also got told the other day by someone high up that you don't have to pay the tolls.
They can't take your licence or impound your vehicle anymore.
The penalties get passed on to spur and they chase you but will fold if you refuse to pay.


You gotta be bloody kidding me.

That's next level cruelty compliments of the Communist Chook you guys have in power there!



Started way before her.
It's the corporate government as a whole.

The TPP made it so easy.
You see, if we change the rules and it hinders the profits of this corporation, which it will, they can then sue our government.

http://www.aftinet.org.au/cms/isds-sue-governments-tpp-2013


All done behind closed doors.
Joyess world we live in hey?  Angry


Apologies....I've been reading this 👇

http://aftinet.org.au/cms/achievements

• Unfortunately I need to log off and finish my chores.

You've (again) given me lots to think about. I like that.
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 2:21pm
 
love toll roads .

time is money and time spent in traffic is a loss.

if you value your time at between $50 and  $100 an hour (standard for tradesmen), then a few bucks on a toll is the best money you can spend (and it comes off your tax)
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