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Reply #15 - Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:23pm
 
The Pell case is a contemporary Australian version of the infamous Dreyfus case in 19th century France and may even spawn a comparable literature. So far there are three substantial books: Keith Windschuttle’s The Persecution of George Pell, which I reviewed here earlier; and now there are two more; Frank Brennan’s and Gerard Henderson’s. Plus there are the three volumes of the cardinal’s prison diary, the first of which I also reviewed here.

What’s not both to enthral and repel in this story of Australian Catholicism’s greatest churchman, brought low by an allegation of child sex abuse, humiliated and imprisoned, only to be vindicated, triumphantly, by a seven-nil High Court verdict to the effect that he should never have been investigated, never have been charged, never have been convicted and never have been gaoled. What was really on trial here was the Australian system of justice: how susceptible it was to public hysteria, media stereotyping and lynch-mob justice so at odds with the traditional presumption of innocence. The verdict, albeit only at the last gasp, thanks to the High Court, is that it’s still capable of delivering justice according to law; but not before a fine man had had his reputation officially trashed, several years of his life stolen, and massive legal bills incurred that he has yet to re-pay. Yes, the cardinal had a win – but this was not a fight he should ever have been in.

Only because the Catholic Church had been judged collectively guilty of institutionalised sexual abuse and, therefore, needed to be punished; and only because Pell had become the personification of that church was a process put in place that, until its very end, but for his faith in divine providence and in his own innocence, would have put the cardinal into a very dark place. Of course, in the sloppily disciplined post-Vatican II church of the Sixties and Seventies there does seem to have been an unusually large number of pedophiles exploiting the cover and the opportunities of clerical life. And because abuse at the hands of God’s servants is such a monstrous betrayal, it’s to the church’s particular shame that this wasn’t realised and acted upon sooner. Paradoxically, Pell was actually one of the very first senior churchmen anywhere in the world to confront it directly: sacking deviant priests and reporting them to the police rather than simply forgiving their sins while moving them on. Perhaps this is why Windschuttle (who’s not a Catholic), Henderson (now a ‘cultural’ Catholic) and Brennan (a Jesuit intellectual, to be sure, but often Pell’s antagonist on theology and ecclesiology) have come so staunchly to his defence.

As expected of a trained lawyer, Brennan focuses on the extreme implausibility of the prosecution’s case. The idea that a fifty-something archbishop, of exemplary life and reputation, would or could slip out of the procession concluding High Mass; and, without anyone noticing, sneak back into the sacristy to commit enormities on two unknown 13-year-old choirboys, all while fully robed and in the space of six minutes, was never credible. Especially when a succession of witnesses testified to Pell’s invariable practice of going to the front of the cathedral to greet parishioners. What’s extraordinary is the lengths to which Victoria Police went on operation ‘Get Pell’: launching an investigation without a complaint; advertising for victims; disregarding and ignoring contrary evidence; and leaking to the media.

The fact that this vendetta was led by two police officers who went on to become successive chief commissioners says everything about the sorry state of Victorian officialdom. In any system that valued integrity, the current commissioner would have resigned in shame for sponsoring such an obviously flawed and prejudiced prosecution; as would the appeal judges who were so blind to such palpable faults.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/04/presumption-of-guilt/

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Reply #16 - Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:14pm:
God must have been on Pell's side.
Afterall, he got away with it all - in the end.



But he still has to get past St Peter:




Jasin wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:53pm:
Pell will be up there with the best of them in Heaven.
Heaven is full of people like Pell.
He was full of Jesus's love for the children.

When you go to Heaven Bobby.
Pell will be there waiting for you.



No - Pell will be at the gates of heaven right now saying -


Oh, Saint Peter, at the gates of heaven
Won't you let me in?
I never did no harm
I never did no wrong.
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Reply #17 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:37am
 
You should know that St Peter will have his back turned on purpose when Cardinal Pell turns up to go through the Pearl Necklace Gates.

Heaps of little boy Cherubs for you to enjoy up in Heaven Bobby.
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Reply #18 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 12:33pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:37am:
You should know that St Peter will have his back turned on purpose when Cardinal Pell turns up to go through the Pearl Necklace Gates.

Heaps of little boy Cherubs for you to enjoy up in Heaven Bobby.



Pell will have a lot of trouble at those Pearly gates.
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Reply #19 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 2:05pm
 
Are you going to enter Heaven Bobby if Pell is on the other side smiling and waving for you to join him?
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 2:34pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 12:33pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:37am:
You should know that St Peter will have his back turned on purpose when Cardinal Pell turns up to go through the Pearl Necklace Gates.

Heaps of little boy Cherubs for you to enjoy up in Heaven Bobby.



Pell will have a lot of trouble at those Pearly gates.



he's hoping he'll be offered a pearl necklace
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Reply #21 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 4:50pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 2:05pm:
Are you going to enter Heaven Bobby if Pell is on the other side smiling and waving for you to join him?


Of course - I'll be seated upon the right hand of God.
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Reply #22 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 5:04pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 4:50pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 2:05pm:
Are you going to enter Heaven Bobby if Pell is on the other side smiling and waving for you to join him?


Of course - I'll be seated upon the right hand of God.

Well good for you Bobby.
You probably deserve it.
God has plans for you, you know.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #23 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 5:06pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 5:04pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 4:50pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 2:05pm:
Are you going to enter Heaven Bobby if Pell is on the other side smiling and waving for you to join him?


Of course - I'll be seated upon the right hand of God.

Well good for you Bobby.
You probably deserve it.
God has plans for you, you know.




In Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti, Amen
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Reply #24 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 5:20pm
 
Those who think they will go straight to Heaven like a short cut. End up in Purgatory.
Because you have to go through Hell, to earn your way to Heaven.
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Reply #25 - Jan 24th, 2023 at 7:31pm
 
A Shakespearean tragedy; Pell by all accounts a born leader, affable character,  brilliant mind and champion foot-baller - an unusual combination of physical and intellectual ability. 

But his literal approach to scripture...ouch.

And like many men, brought down (presumably, though cleared by the High Court) by the sex drive....
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Reply #26 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 5:48am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 4:50pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 2:05pm:
Are you going to enter Heaven Bobby if Pell is on the other side smiling and waving for you to join him?


Of course - I'll be seated upon the right hand of God.


Won’t god need that right hand?

Do trolls end up there? That the hand god uses to fling trolls into deepest Hell?
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Reply #27 - Jan 25th, 2023 at 8:40am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 7:31pm:
A Shakespearean tragedy; Pell by all accounts a born leader, affable character,  brilliant mind and champion foot-baller - an unusual combination of physical and intellectual ability. 

But his literal approach to scripture...ouch.

And like many men, brought down (presumably, though cleared by the High Court) by the sex drive....


Yes. Celibacy is like being Clint Eastwood in the Wild West.
Some men can jump onto the Horse of Celibacy and ride out into the sunset.
While others fall off the other side of the horse to kiss the dirt.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Re: Pell from Hell & St Rupert
Reply #28 - Feb 17th, 2023 at 1:48pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:14pm:
God must have been on Pell's side.
Afterall, he got away with it all - in the end.


Who got away? Pell can’t fool God.
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Re: Pell from Hell & St Rupert
Reply #29 - Feb 17th, 2023 at 1:51pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 24th, 2023 at 5:20pm:
Those who think they will go straight to Heaven like a short cut. End up in Purgatory.
Because you have to go through Hell, to earn your way to Heaven.


The Holy Bible doesn’t support your view.
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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