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Sir Grappler Truth Teller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 87360 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #510 - May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm No solutions then?
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2738 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #511 - May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am ‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’ Based on everyone’s self interest.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13859 Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #512 - May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm: No solutions then? You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all. You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......
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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #513 - May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

Your error (we'll get there in the end...):

"Everyone's" self interest is an oxymoron, since each has his own self-interest which may or may not coincide with Universal Rights, as identified in the UN UDHR.

In short, the right to work under acceptable conditions, without threat of war.

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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #514 - May 29^th, 2025 at 4:47pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

And - HOW do YOU propose to make it all work better for all? enough of the motherhood statements - meanderings of possible intent.. HOW are YOU going to achieve this?

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way..... the potential number of intra-neural connections in one human brain could control the universe at the molecular level ... what a waste yours is ......

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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #515 - May 29^th, 2025 at 5:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

An economy that works for all...

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Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #516 - May 30^th, 2025 at 10:04am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

Your error (we'll get there in the end...):

"Everyone's" self interest is an oxymoron, since each has his own self-interest which may or may not coincide with Universal Rights, as identified in the UN UDHR.

In short, the right to work under acceptable conditions, without threat of war.

How about the right to self defence against unlawful aggression?

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Self defence is a right.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43873	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #517 - May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 50811 Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #518 - May 30^th, 2025 at 3:13pm Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm: Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody Shoplifting can damage your health
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21031 Gordon Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #519 - May 30^th, 2025 at 5:14pm Frank wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 3:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm: Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody Shoplifting can damage your health LoL looks like a meth convention.
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 51891 Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #520 - May 30^th, 2025 at 5:21pm Ha!
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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #521 - May 31^st, 2025 at 7:43am

Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm:

Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody Angry

Shame on you for once again posting an article that shows the systemic bias of the ABC towards Aboriginal issues.

I'd suggest all Walpiri people stay in their communities instead of coming into Alice to commit crime.

They want justice? For what? They need to control their young people. But they don't or can't - then think these outcomes are everyone elses fault.

Justice has been served. Angry

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Reply #522 - May 31^st, 2025 at 5:49pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 10:04am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

Your error (we'll get there in the end...):

"Everyone's" self interest is an oxymoron, since each has his own self-interest which may or may not coincide with Universal Rights, as identified in the UN UDHR.

In short, the right to work under acceptable conditions, without threat of war.

How about the right to self defence against unlawful aggression?

What about it?

A brief history of "rights" for you; individuals have possessed the right to self-defence since the beginning of time, based on the survival instinct of individuals, formerly expressed as 'an eye for an eye' (before Jesus said 'turn the other cheek', implicit in the Sermon on the Mount: "blessed are the peace makers").

Which explains why this is the ONE right you want discuss above all other rights, thereby rendering inoperable the concept of universal rights.

The UN UDHR is concerned with identifying rights belonging to all by virtue of being human.
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So a black man from a desperately-low socio-economic economic background is apprehended for stealing goods from a supermarket: he abuses the security guards, they wrestle him to the ground.

So a struggle ensues.

Cause of death (not examined by a coroner, of course): poverty entrenched by an evil economic system based on "free" individuals competing in "free" markets - which demonstrably entrenches socio-economic disadvantage, violating Article 23 of the UN UDHR.

Even Trump is railing against the present system: "the world is raping the US"(!).

And you - with your 'individual rights" delusions, want to stick your nose into an ideological dispute in China re Taiwan which is a Chinese province - a dispute which is now causing Trump to upend the world trading system, so he can "save the free world".

So - re the 'right to self defence': it's a given and doesn't require listing among the universal rights of mankind, rights which require social organization based on more than self-interest, if men are to advance beyond the chaotic social relations which are threatening our very existence in a globalized world.i

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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 51891 Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #523 - May 31^st, 2025 at 6:13pm Daddy and Mummy Alice mob tell their kids to go out and steal, beg and harass, etc upon them being kids and victimhood Aborigines via emotional blackmail with Media support like the ABC.
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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #524 - May 31^st, 2025 at 7:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 31^st, 2025 at 5:49pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 10:04am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

Your error (we'll get there in the end...):

"Everyone's" self interest is an oxymoron, since each has his own self-interest which may or may not coincide with Universal Rights, as identified in the UN UDHR.

In short, the right to work under acceptable conditions, without threat of war.

How about the right to self defence against unlawful aggression?

What about it?

A brief history of "rights" for you; individuals have possessed the right to self-defence since the beginning of time, based on the survival instinct of individuals, formerly expressed as 'an eye for an eye' (before Jesus said 'turn the other cheek', implicit in the Sermon on the Mount: "blessed are the peace makers").

Which explains why this is the ONE right you want discuss above all other rights, thereby rendering inoperable the concept of universal rights.

The UN UDHR is concerned with identifying rights belonging to all by virtue of being human.
.......

So a black man from a desperately-low socio-economic economic background is apprehended for stealing goods from a supermarket: he abuses the security guards, they wrestle him to the ground.

So a struggle ensues.

Cause of death (not examined by a coroner, of course): poverty entrenched by an evil economic system based on "free" individuals competing in "free" markets - which demonstrably entrenches socio-economic disadvantage, violating Article 23 of the UN UDHR.

Even Trump is railing against the present system: "the world is raping the US"(!).

And you - with your 'individual rights" delusions, want to stick your nose into an ideological dispute in China re Taiwan which is a Chinese province - a dispute which is now causing Trump to upend the world trading system, so he can "save the free world".

So - re the 'right to self defence': it's a given and doesn't require listing among the universal rights of mankind, rights which require social organization based on more than self-interest, if men are to advance beyond the chaotic social relations which are threatening our very existence in a globalized world.i

‘Payment rates
As at 20 March 2023, the maximum fortnightly JobSeeker payment for a single person with no children was $693.10. The maximum fortnightly Youth Allowance (other) payment for a single person with no children, over 18 and living at home, was $389.40, or if they are living away from home $562.80’’

What’s wrong with this unfortunate young man paying, he's got money.

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Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.’’

Which embodies the right to self defence and, logically, the right to the means of such defence.

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Self defence is a right.

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