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Sir Eoin O Fada

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Reply #450 - May 18^th, 2025 at 10:06am

How do the poverty stricken manage to buy junk food?
The ingredients for good tucker cost less than ready cooked and kangaroo is lean, nutritious and there for the taking; and, unlike the rest of us, Aborigines are allowed to hunt them.
A $1 round will get one 30 pounds of prime meat.
Hunting with a.bow is even cheaper and with the spear cheaper still, but requiring more skill.
Witchetty. grubs are there for the taking and the pink ones found in half submerged logs are a gourmet’s delight.

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Reply #451 - May 18^th, 2025 at 10:18am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

There are millions of kangaroos, wallabies and emus out there just for the spearing [or shooting if they can get a licence].
Plus other cultural and traditional food in plenty.

There are, in fact, more macropods than ever before in Australia’s history.

So no indigenous people ever need go hungty, all that is needed is the will.

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense .....

You are ignori...oh never mind, you capacity for logic is crippled, we already know that.

The topic is black poverty, crime - and the gap, in Alice Springs, as in many Oz towns.

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Afterall they want to live "on country".

See how your blind, conservative ideology cripples your abilty to analyze the gap (which we all want to close):

Most of "them" live in Alice Springs, etc. regardless of rhetoric about "living on country".

That's how much you really know .....SFA.

In 2021 ABS statistics
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/northern-territory-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-...

In Alice 5,343 identify as ATSI.

Out of a total of 25,186.

As you will see by the photo attached the majority of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders do not live in either Alice Springs or Darwin - which together respectively have only 12,346 of the total territory population.

The other remote communities and towns have 27,632.

Allowing for slight increases since then.

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Reply #452 - May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm

I’m thinking it’s not a good thing in 2025 that our indigenous people are asked to rely on hunting and gathering for food as their main source of food.

There is literally a very well paid army size group of public servants who are gainfully employed too help.

The fact that they have failed for so long at such a huge cost is what this discussion should be about!

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"Whoever the next government is will be more aware and will need to be more accountable."

If we continue to call their latency and rorts out for what they really are- stealing!

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Reply #453 - May 18^th, 2025 at 12:38pm

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

I’m thinking it’s not a good thing in 2025 that our indigenous people are asked to rely on hunting and gathering for food as their main source of food.

There is literally a very well paid army size group of public servants who are gainfully employed too help.

The fact that they have failed for so long at such a huge cost is what this discussion should be about!

Two things:-

1. That would get rid of the endless layers of public service sucking up and sucking down about 90% of funding... and that doesn't even include the honchoes stealing it before it reaches hungry mouths etc.

2. It would STFU all the whingers and whiners carrying on about their Golden Age that Civilisation Day interrupted ... make it a hate crime to destroy statues and genuine meaningful artwork historical etc.

And 3. (of course) ... it will teach the complaining Abos that they never had it so good - and that it was time to DO BETTER before history leaves them totally behind.

And 4. (ain't I a bastard?) That will validate St Jacinta of the Price Clan's call for a full review into where the funding is going....

Now - for a coffee and couple of Tim Tams - special at $3.50 yesterday... you don't catch me paying $12 for a packet of Tim Tams. I'm busy doing renos, so go ahead without me...

Aye, Jim Lad - I knows where the Tim Tams be buried!!! AArgh!!

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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #454 - May 18^th, 2025 at 1:14pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 17^th, 2025 at 10:59pm:

The Horror - The Horror.....

Agreed.

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Question:- Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?

Because people living in entrenched poverty don't indulge in philosophical considerations re personal responsibility and participation in different 'cultures'.

As Trump himself noted in 2016 (referring to blacks in US inner-city ghettos):
"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are liike war zones, your young men are in prison....

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They claim their former life was wondrous -

You are certainly uneducable: as I have explained many times - it's comfortable black/white cultural activists who rant about " 'first nations' sovereignty" who claim such nonsense re blacks' "wondrous former life".

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why are there gaps now?
Nobody is stopping them from living their old lifestyle free as birds...

Confirming you are uneducable: most can't or won't consider casting off their clothes and reverting to the h-g culture.

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It IS up to them to change. You won't be seeing any 'gaps' closed any time soon.

As noted above, even Trump could see the reality re the 'black gap', but he didn't offer the solution - or rather, he assumed that by MAGA, blacks would become educated and employed, thereby moving out of poverty.

But even white working-class MAGA supporters are losing hope fast.... stay tuned.

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Reply #455 - May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

I’m thinking it’s not a good thing in 2025 that our indigenous people are asked to rely on hunting and gathering for food as their main source of food.

There is literally a very well paid army size group of public servants who are gainfully employed too help.

The fact that they have failed for so long at such a huge cost is what this discussion should be about!

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

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Reply #456 - May 18^th, 2025 at 1:57pm

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

I’m thinking it’s not a good thing in 2025 that our indigenous people are asked to rely on hunting and gathering for food as their main source of food.

There is literally a very well paid army size group of public servants who are gainfully employed too help.

The fact that they have failed for so long at such a huge cost is what this discussion should be about!

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

You are as uneducable as graps.

Graps: "Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?"

A: Because people living in entrenched poverty don't indulge in philosophical considerations re personal responsibility and participation in different 'cultures'.

As Trump himself noted in 2016 (referring to blacks in US inner-city ghettos):
"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison....

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3256 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #457 - May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.
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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #458 - May 18^th, 2025 at 10:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

I’m thinking it’s not a good thing in 2025 that our indigenous people are asked to rely on hunting and gathering for food as their main source of food.

There is literally a very well paid army size group of public servants who are gainfully employed too help.

The fact that they have failed for so long at such a huge cost is what this discussion should be about!

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

You are as uneducable as graps.

Graps: "Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?"

A: Because people living in entrenched poverty don't indulge in philosophical considerations re personal responsibility and participation in different 'cultures'.

As Trump himself noted in 2016 (referring to blacks in US inner-city ghettos):
"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison....

Clearly it is not I who am uneducable... what do 'philosophical considerations' have to do with going to school, learning and getting a trade or something?

It is absolutely weird to see someone like you spouting such nonsense.... they DO have 'philosophical considerations' - they want the privilege of living their old way but they also want all the goodies for nothing, and they sure as hell take personal responsibility for that and for living by demand 'their way' without trying.

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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #459 - May 20^th, 2025 at 4:07pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 10:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

I’m thinking it’s not a good thing in 2025 that our indigenous people are asked to rely on hunting and gathering for food as their main source of food.

There is literally a very well paid army size group of public servants who are gainfully employed too help.

The fact that they have failed for so long at such a huge cost is what this discussion should be about!

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

You are as uneducable as graps.

Graps: "Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?"

A: Because people living in entrenched poverty don't indulge in philosophical considerations re personal responsibility and participation in different 'cultures'.

As Trump himself noted in 2016 (referring to blacks in US inner-city ghettos):
"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison....

Clearly it is not I who am uneducable... what do 'philosophical considerations' have to do with going to school, learning and getting a trade or something?

Proving yourself to possess low IQ (which, combined with an ugly survival of the fittest' conservative ideology, explains why your are uneducable); you wrote:

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Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?

A typical low IQ conservative who can't see conceptual relationships such as "White Man's way" as a culural consideration - which black people in poverty don't concern themselves, unlike comfortable fake (white) 'black' activists who have an axe to grind.

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they DO have 'philosophical considerations' - they want the privilege of living their old way but they also want all the goodies for nothing, and they sure as hell take personal responsibility for that and for living by demand 'their way' without trying

As noted above, the activists push the '1st nations' culture garbage, not those forced into welfare dependency by lack of jobs; the government can always ensure jobs, to close the gap.

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Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Reply #460 - May 20^th, 2025 at 4:26pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm:

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

Meanwhile farmers in SA and Vic have reached the stage of shooting their livestock and their livelihoods.. so much for "good hunting country" in a drought.

Naturally they are calling out for Albo to save their livelihoods, which he could do - there is plenty of feed in other parts of Oz - but Albo thinks he has to balance the federal government's budget, like you and I have to balance our own household budget, and therefore he baulks at paying the costs of trucking the feed from Qld etc. , an operation well within Oz governement capacity since the fodder, trucks, drivers and fuel are all available, able to be purchased and funded by the currency-issuing Oz government's Treasury without causing inflation (since the necessary resources are available).

Google Steve Keen's article "Triggering Crises by Reducing Government Debt", to educate yourself.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89303 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #461 - May 21^st, 2025 at 1:00am So what did Abos do in the Traditional Way during a drought when they had to shoot all their roos and such? Oh - I know.. I know... they just died of starvation and kept the population so low they couldn't remotely begin to influence the land...
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Reply #462 - May 21^st, 2025 at 6:17am

What is the criminal rate for the Aboriginal people?
Rate of adults charged by police

In 2022-23, across the three jurisdictions with available data, the rate of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander adults charged by police at least once in the previous 12 months ranged from 5,160.1 per 100,000 adults in the population to 7,733.4 per 100,000.

What percentage of aboriginals are in jail in Australia?
First Nations people make up a small proportion (3.8%) of the Australian population. Yet they are over-represented in Australia's prison system, making up 32% of the total prison population, and are incarcerated at much higher rates than non-Indigenous Australians (ABS 2023a, ABS 2023b)

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Reply #463 - May 21^st, 2025 at 11:00am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 1:00am:

So what did Abos do in the Traditional Way during a drought when they had to shoot all their roos and such?

Pathetic blind ideology, asking silly questions to avoid understanding why "Alice Springs is out of control".

The "Traditional Way" is gone forever - gone with the wind.

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Oh - I know.. I know... they just died of starvation and kept the population so low they couldn't remotely begin to influence the land...

More likely they walked a thousand miles to reach 'greener pastures', or indeed starved, as primitive man (or kangaroos) have always done during famines.

So back to it: see past your mindless poverty is always with us ideology, and work out how to close the gap.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 14411 Gender:	Re: Alice Springs - out of control Reply #464 - May 21^st, 2025 at 11:05am Boris wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 6:17am: What is the criminal rate for the Aboriginal people? Much higher than for whites, as your stats show. The question is how to close those stats. ie close the gap. Suggestions?
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