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Reply #30 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:35am
 
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Reply #31 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:42am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:00am:
Mr Barnett, who early in his pre-politics career was responsible for writing surveys for the Australian Bureau of Statistics, said the double-barrelled question flagged by the Prime Minister posed a technical risk to the referendum’s success.

He said the chances of a voice being introduced in some form would be increased if the public were instead asked two questions: firstly, whether they supported an Indigenous voice; and secondly, whether that should be enshrined in the Constitution.

While he believed the Australian public would be broadly supportive of an Indigenous body that provides advice on issues affecting Aboriginal people, having that body enshrined in the Constitution could be a harder sell.

He said he supported the idea of an Indigenous voice but was “far from convinced” that it should be enshrined in the Constitution.

“I think most Australians would support a voice, but there would be great doubts about it going into the Constitution,” Mr Barnett said.

Opponents of a voice, he said, could use the constitutional element to sow doubts about the overall plan and derail the voice referendum.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-question-flawe...

Indeed.

Although you do not need a referendum to set up an advisory body of Aborigines and call it the Voice.

It just shows that the Voice doesn't need to be in the constitution and insisting on putt im ng it in there is NOT about establishing it but something completely different: sovereignty and treaty.

But if you put that to a referendum - do you support the recognition of 'First Nations' sovereignty and if yes, a treaty between them and the States and the Commonwealth - it would be supported only by the lunatic fringes of the Green Left  and their media organs, the ABC and the Grauniad and Schwartz Media.





The republic referendum of 1999 had a similarly structured question. Rather than simply asking voters if they supported Australia becoming a republic, the question also asked whether the Queen and governor-general would be replaced by a president appointed by a two-thirds majority of the parliament.

The public’s rejection of that referendum has widely been seen as a response to the proposed model, rather than the concept of becoming a republic.

Mr Barnett said the single question in the form of the question that has been proposed by Mr Albanese was double-barrelled “and therefore is ambiguous”.

“If it is only one question, the whole voice issue could be defeated,” he said.

“If people are unsure, then they are likely to vote no. That is the history.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-question-flawe...

The inclusion of Voice in the Constitution will doom, rightly, this referendum. You do not need to change the constitution to set up the Voice.
Constitutional change is about something unstated in the referendum: sovereignty and treaty.
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Reply #32 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am
 
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Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:55am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am:
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Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I am not recent, cockwomble. And I am African and a Muslim, you despicable racist islamophobe.



Do you have ANY reason to support constitutional amendment? Can you articulate it?

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Reply #34 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:14pm
 

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am:
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Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dear oh dear oh dear ..... I always THOUGHT you were a closet racist Bwian. Now I KNOW you are!
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  What a WOFTAM you are proving yourself to be, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:52pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am:
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Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dear oh dear oh dear ..... I always THOUGHT you were a closet racist Bwian. Now I KNOW you are!


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Reply #37 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 1:11pm
 
"you do not need to change the constitution to set up a voice".

So just add yet another advisory body to the vast range already in place without replacing a single 'job' or reducing any costs or reducing any duplication of 'advice', and just make it another body paid for to do essentially nothing.

As I said long ago now - Voldemort is playing this cunningly by allowing Labor to make all the mistakes and then they will be 'forced' to create this body rejected by the people via 'legislation' in the classic Neo-Fascist New Labor manner - which can instantly be overturned by a future government.

Remember The coward Howard's 'gun laws' - rejected at a referendum by the people - so they organised a neat little end run around it by linking it with 'domestic violence' with legal standards and values reminiscent of some Stalinist dictatorship - where anyone denounced is instantly guilty and instantly gulaged .... you see the modern extension of this madness with the drive for 'Brittany's Law' wherein any accused should be instantly locked up, charged and convicted and condemned - any of you there yet? ... you will be one day.... when it happens to one of your own.  Then the 'feminists' gleefully leapt on this golden opportunity to impose 'definition creep' until every single whine of any single woman no matter how stupid or insane became a tsunami against poor little women - while men were and are paying the price every day in every way for this insanity and society was increasingly brought under the control of ideologues bent on total control over everyone and everything for their own benefit.... AS USUAL ... while the actual violence within our society continued to escalate and escalate into near open warfare!

Then the Abos (and others like the poofs and now the 'trannies') got on this gravy train under their feminist mentors and off she goes... just whine and complain and do nothing to save yourself and it will all be handed to you.

Learn to say NO, you fools, before you lose your entire country and all in it to this madness.

Fight back NOW!!

Meantime ...... I TOLD YOU SO!!
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Reply #38 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 1:32pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:52pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am:
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Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dear oh dear oh dear ..... I always THOUGHT you were a closet racist Bwian. Now I KNOW you are!



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Reply #39 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 3:37pm
 
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Reply #40 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 4:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 3:37pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  What a WOFTAM you are proving yourself to be, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You are smug, shifty, lying hypochrite, cockwomble. Hugely racist, a raging Christophobe,hopelessly muddled about everything,  morally base, mentally negligible. You make up for all your defects and deformities of mind and morals by being laughably narcissistic and a tediously repetitive inane fathead.

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Reply #41 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 4:20pm
 

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Piss off back to Denmark, it'd make everybody happy.    Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #42 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 4:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 4:20pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Piss off back to Denmark, it'd make everybody happy.    Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





You are smug, shifty, lying hypochrite, cockwomble. Hugely racist, a raging Chrisophobe,hopelessly muddled about everything,  morally base, mentally negligible. You make up for all your defects and deformities of mind and morals by being laughably narcissistic and a tediously repetitive inane fathead.

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Reply #43 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 4:56pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am:
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Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sore end has no right to vote irrespective of how recently he arrived. He's not an aussie
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Reply #44 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 5:00pm
 
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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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