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Reply #75 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 11:57am:
What were Aborigines before 1788?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept.


What are Indigenous people since 1967, Soren?  Australians as they should have been from 1901 except Racists like you rejected them.  Some of them are simply returning the favour.  Remember, your a Dane.  You flew here, I was born here and I accept Indigenous as my fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #76 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 11:57am:
What were Aborigines before 1788?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept.


What are Indigenous people since 1967, Soren?  Australians as they should have been from 1901 except Racists like you rejected them.  Some of them are simply returning the favour.  Remember, your a Dane.  You flew here, I was born here and I accept Indigenous as my fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Being born here makes you indigenous ... you dickhead.
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Reply #77 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:22pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 11:57am:
What were Aborigines before 1788?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept.


What are Indigenous people since 1967, Soren?  Australians as they should have been from 1901 except Racists like you rejected them.  Some of them are simply returning the favour.  Remember, your a Dane.  You flew here, I was born here and I accept Indigenous as my fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



What were Aborigines before 1788? Before 1901? 1967?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept. Even the misnomer 'first nations' is a European concept, as is citizenship, voting rights, sovereignty, democratic representation.

So what are/were Aborigines in their own cultural terms, not in British or European thinking or concepts which are obviously alien and oppressive for them.






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Reply #78 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 11:57am:
What were Aborigines before 1788?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept.


What are Indigenous people since 1967, Soren?  Australians as they should have been from 1901 except Racists like you rejected them.  Some of them are simply returning the favour.  Remember, your a Dane.  You flew here, I was born here and I accept Indigenous as my fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



What were Aborigines before 1788? Before 1901? 1967?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept. Even the misnomer 'first nations' is a European concept, as is citizenship, voting rights, sovereignty, democratic representation.


Who cares, Soren, except for Racists like you, and Gnads and little Johnnie?  Remember you flew here, Dane.  Isn't it time you flew home to Denmark?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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So what are/were Aborigines in their own cultural terms, not in British or European thinking or concepts which are obviously alien and oppressive for them.


Some, not all. Considering how they were treated and in some cases still are, by Racists like yourself, no wonder why get upset and claim to no longer be Australians, just like you do, in fact, hey, Dane.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #79 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:33pm
 
How were they treated?

Appin Massacre - sixteen Whites killed in a murder spree, including women and children slaughtered without mercy .... retaliatory raid tracks down and kills fourteen armed assailants/combatants, sparing the women and children... meanwhile friendly and peaceful Aborigines continue to live on their traditional land ...

Says it all...
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Reply #80 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:26pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 11:57am:
What were Aborigines before 1788?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept.


What are Indigenous people since 1967, Soren?  Australians as they should have been from 1901 except Racists like you rejected them.  Some of them are simply returning the favour.  Remember, your a Dane.  You flew here, I was born here and I accept Indigenous as my fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



What were Aborigines before 1788? Before 1901? 1967?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept. Even the misnomer 'first nations' is a European concept, as is citizenship, voting rights, sovereignty, democratic representation.


Who cares, Soren, except for Racists like you, and Gnads and little Johnnie?  Remember you flew here, Dane.  Isn't it time you flew home to Denmark?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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So what are/were Aborigines in their own cultural terms, not in British or European thinking or concepts which are obviously alien and oppressive for them.


Some, not all. Considering how they were treated and in some cases still are, by Racists like yourself, no wonder why get upset and claim to no longer be Australians, just like you do, in fact, hey, Dane.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Who cares?? 

Good point, actually.  Who cares about Aboriginality? What is it and why does it matter? 

Answer in non-European concepts since European ideas should not be imposed on natives, not even 'fully sick' native-identifying quadroon, quintroon, octoroons, etc.
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Reply #81 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 1:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:26pm:
Racists like you .  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Racists like you,   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Racists like yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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You are such a ludicrous clown, cockwomble.

Sleep is a necessary and universal human activity that is essential for physical and mental well-being. However, the history of sleep and the attitudes surrounding sleep are riddled with racist beliefs, practices, and ideas.

When you sleep, you cannot work, unless you are participating in a sleep study. White people have more wealth than black people and other races. Therefore, white people can better afford to sleep. This is one way the distribution of sleep is racist and perpetuates racism. There are only so many sleep studies, and black people cannot perform them all.

Another way sleep has racist roots is due to the segregation of sleeping spaces. Historically, in America, masters slept in the "Master Bedroom," while slaves slept in the "slave bedroom." Today, slave bedrooms are now known as "guest bedrooms" or "secondary bedrooms." Yet this rebrand does not remove the stench of racism, which has a long and deeply entrenched history in the United States.

Additionally, the inventor of sleep, Bob Sleep, was a documented racist and slave owner. In fact, many historians believe Sleep first entered the altered condition of mind and body known as "sleep" in order to avoid interacting with black people.

Anyone, particularly anyone white, who engages in sleep today is perpetuating a dangerous and harmful practice with racist roots. But this harmful history has not stopped people from sleeping. In fact, despite the fact that one in eight people who die in America dies in their sleep, we Americans continue our sick fascination with rest.

You can't be woke if you're asleep. So, if you do not want to be a racist, the solution is clear: stay awake. Forever.
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Reply #82 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 1:27pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:33pm:
How were they treated?

Appin Massacre - sixteen Whites killed in a murder spree, including women and children slaughtered without mercy .... retaliatory raid tracks down and kills fourteen armed assailants/combatants, sparing the women and children... meanwhile friendly and peaceful Aborigines continue to live on their traditional land ...

Says it all...


As against the List of massacres of Indigenous Australians - over 300 known sites of massacre and murder.  No, no frontier war, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #83 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 1:34pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 11:41am:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 3:32am:
Well... this has to be one of the most idiotic threads to appear
on this forum.  Then again, looking at who started it, I'm not
in the least surprised...

A card-carrying member of the 'Australian Morons Society'.
Apparently the society requires prospective members to
have an IQ in only double digits, to have failed year 12, to
have also failed their driving license test seven times, to be
virgins, and still be living under their parents' roof.

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Leave phil, mothra and a few others out of it ... no need to pile insult on their already demented minds...


Still trolling ya dickhead....How pathetic???

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Reply #84 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 1:37pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 11:57am:
What were Aborigines before 1788?
Not Australians, since Australia is a British/Australian concept.


What are Indigenous people since 1967, Soren?  Australians as they should have been from 1901 except Racists like you rejected them.  Some of them are simply returning the favour.  Remember, your a Dane.  You flew here, I was born here and I accept Indigenous as my fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Being born here makes you indigenous ... you dickhead.


Exactly....Which makes this whole thread a load of bullshit!!!

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Being born here makes you indigenous you dickhead???

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Reply #85 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 1:39pm
 
They were always murdering each other all the time anyway.

they have always been violent - and so the White people were within their rights to use violence if they believed they were a threat - which they have always been and still are.

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Reply #86 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 1:59pm
 
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Yeah, sure, Matty, what ever...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #87 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 2:08pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 1:39pm:
They were always murdering each other all the time anyway.

they have always been violent - and so the White people were within their rights to use violence if they believed they were a threat - which they have always been and still are.


A description on Bennelong:


His powers of mind were certainly far above mediocrity. He acquired knowledge, both of our manners and language, faster than his predecessor had done. He willingly communicated information; sang, danced, and capered, told us all the customs of his country, and all the details of his family economy. Love and war seemed his favourite pursuits; in both of which he had suffered severely. His head was disfigured by several scars; a spear had passed through his arm, and another through his leg. Half of one of his thumbs was carried away; and the mark of a wound appeared on the back of his hand. The cause and attendant circumstances of all these disasters, except one, he related to us.

"But the wound on the back of your hand, Baneelon! How did you get that?"

He laughed, and owned that it was received in carrying off a lady of another tribe by force. "I was dragging her away. She cried aloud, and stuck her teeth in me."

"And what did you do then?"

"I knocked her down, and beat her till she was insensible, and covered with blood. Then..."

Whenever he recounted his battles, "poised his lance, and showed how fields were won", the most violent exclamations of rage and vengeance against his competitors in arms, those of the tribe called Cameeragal in particular, would burst from him.


Treatment of women
I was seized with a strong propensity to learn whether the attractions of Gooreedeeana were sufficiently powerful to secure her from the brutal violence with which the women are treated, and as I found my question either ill understood or reluctantly answered, I proceeded to examine her head, the part on which the husband's vengeance generally alights. With grief I found it covered by contusions and mangled by scars. The poor creature, grown by this time more confident from perceiving that I pitied her, pointed out a wound just above her left knee which she told me was received from a spear, thrown at her by a man who had lately dragged her by force from her home to gratify his lust.

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Generally speaking, a man has but one wife, but infidelity on the side of the husband, with the unmarried girls, is very frequent. For the most part, perhaps, they intermarry in their respective tribes. This rule is not, however, constantly observed, and there is reason to think that a more than ordinary share of courtship and presents, on the part of the man, is required in this case. Such difficulty seldom operates to extinguish desire, and nothing is more common than for the unsuccessful suitor to ravish by force that which he cannot accomplish by entreaty. I do not believe that very near connections by blood ever cohabit. We knew of no instance of it.

But indeed the women are in all respects treated with savage barbarity Condemned not only to carry the children but all other burthens, they meet in return for submission only with blows, kicks and every other mark of brutality. When an Indian is provoked by a woman, he either spears her or knocks her down on the spot. On this occasion he always strikes on the head, using indiscriminately a hatchet, a club or any other weapon which may chance to be in his hand. The heads of the women are always consequently seen in the state which I found that of Gooreedeeana. Colbee, who was certainly, in other respects a good tempered merry fellow, made no scruple of treating Daringa, who was a gentle creature, thus. Baneelon did the same to Barangaroo, but she was a scold and a vixen, and nobody pitied her. It must nevertheless be confessed that the women often artfully study to irritate and inflame the passions of the men, although sensible that the consequence will alight on themselves.
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Reply #88 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 2:45pm
 
And the relevance of Bennelong (1764?-1813) is what, exactly, Dane?  Tsk, tsk, tsk, always trying to attack modern Indigenous Australians, hey, Soren?  Remember, you're only recently an Australian, you flew here, Bennelong and I was born here.  Go back to Denmark you blow in.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #89 - Dec 31st, 2022 at 2:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 2:45pm:
And the relevance of Bennelong (1764?-1813) is what, exactly, Dane?  Tsk, tsk, tsk, always trying to attack modern Indigenous Australians, hey, Soren?  Remember, you're only recently an Australian, you flew here, Bennelong and I was born here.  Go back to Denmark you blow in.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They have always been violent

They are violent

They will always be violent
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