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It's not a lie if....
Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:29am

Not even Bobby believes the things he posts:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 7:59am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 7:53am:

What do you think makes you look more gullible, believing the US government stat, or believing the 12 million number from the Nigerian scam dude?

I don't truly believe anything -
I report the news -
I don't make the news -
the readers decide.

But he sure has a lot of well rehearsed excuses for why he is not a liar:

It's not a lie if it was not deliberate:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:19am:

Bobby, what is the difference between posting lies and posting "news" that neither you nor anyone else here believes?

I have not deliberately posted lies.

It's not a lie if it might be true:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:25am:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:21am:

What is the difference between deliberately posting lies and deliberately posting "news" that neither you nor anyone else here believes?

Do you believe it is true that 12 million people died from the covid vaccine?

It could be true.

It's not a lie if it might be a lie, or an estimate:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:59pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:22pm:

So you didn't lie, you merely posted a lie?

It might have been a lie -
it is more likely to be an estimation

It's not a lie if you are quoting someone else you know to be a lying:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 9:06am:

I am not asking you what you know Bobby. I know it is is nothing. Are you having trouble understanding the question?

What should we do with liars Bobby?

Steve Kirsch?

Tell him off - send him an email.

It's not a lie if someone was asking you for the facts, but you didn't have any:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 2:34pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

Do you think Bobby was telling the truth when he said that 12 million people had died from covid vaccines, and also telling the truth when he said it was 16 thousand?

I was reporting vaccine death estimates from many different websites as requested by you.
I don't make the news - I report the news -
the readers decide.
Who knows what's true?
It's not like the Govts. are ever going to tell us.

It's not a lie if you found it on the internet:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 3:29pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 3:27pm:

I did not ask you to lie to me Bobby.

You asked for evidence -
I Googled up some evidence for you.
I also used the Yandex search engine.

Your quarrel should be with the authors of that evidence not me.
I'm only a humble messenger.

It's not a lie if you are reporting on what is on the internet:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 3:48pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 3:32pm:

Bobby is your argument that if you are too lazy and stupid to tell the difference, then you can make up literally anything, and it is not a lie so long as within the breadth of your ignorance you think there is a possibility of it being true?

I report the news - I don't make the news:

I find some great links:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-i...

Excess deaths in 2022 ‘incredibly high’ at 13 per cent

It's not a lie if you copied and pasted it:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:01pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

That's a loaded question -
you know I don't trust any butchers. Embarrassed

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Would it be a lie Bobby?

FD - you can't imply that I'm a liar because I give out a link
plus some copied and pasted text to a website.
I am a messenger - you should direct any anger towards
the website - not me.

It's not a lie if you refuse to even think about whether it is true, then ask other people to do your thinking for you:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:07pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:04pm:

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FD - you can't imply that I'm a liar because I give out a link

You said that 12 million people died from covid vaccines. Was that a lie?

I did not say that -
it was copied and pasted from a link.
Examine the link thoroughly and get back to all of us with your verdict.

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Re: It's not a lie if....
Reply #1 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:32am

But wait, there's more...

It's not a lie if you are completely ignorant of the facts:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:22am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:14am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:56am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:35am:

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there are just too many people dropping dead for unknown reasons

How many would that be Bobby?

I dunno - it's a lot -
many celebrities too -
they are dropping like flies.
I see the reports every day on CNN and the BBC.

So you do not know how many people are actually dying suddenly, or what would count as normal or too many, but you have somehow convinced yourself that it is too many?

How?

Did you previously think celebrities lived forever?

Of course they don't live forever.
Don't you think all these untimely deaths could have vaccines as a cause?
Is it remotely possible?

It's not a lie if you pretend everyone else is as ignorant as you:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 8:29am:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

I am curious about your understanding of what a lie is.

Are you claiming that you a not a compulsive liar because you are merely too lazy to find out for certain that the lies you keep posting are lies?

Do you believe it is true that 12 million people died from the covid vaccine?

We'll never know what the truth is -
however - ask Steve Kirsch:

It's not a lie if you mention philosophy like you know something about it:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

Speak for yourself Bobby. Now, can you explain your reasoning for us?

Are you claiming that you a not a compulsive liar because you are merely too lazy to find out for certain that the lies you keep posting are lies?

Do you believe it is true that 12 million people died from the covid vaccine?

We'll never know what the truth is - study philosophy -
however - ask Steve Kirsch what he thinks:

It's not a lie if you cannot be sure:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 9:05am:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

I am not asking you what the truth is Bobby, or to prove anything. I am asking you to explain what you are thinking. Is it possible for you to do that?

Do you view it differently because you are posting it online and not saying it? Would you be lying if you told someone in person that 12 million people had died from the covid vaccine?

I've told you - I don't know for sure.

I do know that Steve Kirsch said .........

All of this is from one single thread so far.

But the rules for what counts as a lie are completely different for everyone else but Bobby:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 7:04pm:

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What if there is a possibility that it is true?

I don't know -
what is your point of contention?

If there is a possibility it is true, then it is not a lie, right?

No - a lie is a lie unless maybe it's portrayed as an educated guess
in which case it could be true or false -
a bit like Schrodinger's cat.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59947 Here Gender:	Re: It's not a lie if.... Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:48am Bobby is just a bit more vulnerable because he tries to be honest within the discussion defending the indefensible. Bobby would not make the top ten of deliverers of dishonest internet conspiracy stories. If you don't believe me just ask Steve Kirsch.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21917 ACT Gender:	Re: It's not a lie if.... Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:48am Oh dear! I guess Booby is lucky he isnt Pinocchio!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50291 At my desk.	Re: It's not a lie if.... Reply #4 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:49am He tries to pretend to be honest. I don't see any other kind of effort there.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59947 Here Gender:	Re: It's not a lie if.... Reply #5 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:51am freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:49am: He tries to pretend to be honest. I don't see any other kind of effort there. Yes he does try, we all do, I don't believe he pretends. He also managed a excellent world cup soccer score service.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59947 Here Gender:	Re: It's not a lie if.... Reply #6 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:54am Nail posts all that same insanity and he does 100% believe it as well.
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Re: It's not a lie if....
Reply #7 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:56am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:51am:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:49am:

He tries to pretend to be honest. I don't see any other kind of effort there.

Yes he does try, we all do, I don't believe he pretends. He also managed a excellent world cup soccer score service.

His basic argument is that he is not lying because he is not even trying to post the truth. It's right there in his own words.

Bobby does not believe what he posts. He does not think about what he posts. He does not defend what he posts. That is for everyone else to do.

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Reply #8 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:09am

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:51am:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:49am:

He tries to pretend to be honest. I don't see any other kind of effort there.

Yes he does try, we all do, I don't believe he pretends. He also managed a excellent world cup soccer score service.

His basic argument is that he is not lying because he is not even trying to post the truth. It's right there in his own words.

Bobby does not believe what he posts. He does not think about what he posts. He does not defend what he posts. That is for everyone else to do.

Yes he says he is posting information off the internet but he does this leaving the impression that it is the truth when it is often dubious. His process is definitely not sound.

I have the woke thing I will try to defend anyone almost, I know I have woke as I checked my watch and it is telling me that I am averaging about 4.5 hours sleep a day. Anyway Bobby is a good egg just misguided.

He solved yesterdays wordle in 2 lines you know.

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Reply #9 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:21am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 3:48pm:

I report the news - I don't make the news:

I find some great links:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-i...

Excess deaths in 2022 ‘incredibly high’ at 13 per cent

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freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 7:29am:

It's not a lie if you are reporting on what is on the internet:

It's not a lie if....

a Government employed 'Health Officer' >> ASSURES << us that the vaccines are safe and are effective, and will protect us [the GHO doesn't have to show us the data, to prove his assurances are true.]......

'So all line up, and roll up your sleeves.'

Yadda said....
IN AUSTRALIA....Staff needed… enquire within…
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671369754/5#5
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Why is there a worker shortage today, all over Australia ?

Well i don't know !!!!

Its 2022.

Q.
What has been happening all over Australia, in the last two years ? Huh

On the 'HIGHWIRE' a couple of days ago......

Edward Dowd - NEW EXCESS DEATH DATA FROM AUSTRALIA

32 min
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3984LgKFdAli/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bAYgbW3s01Tv/

@16.55 [Edward Dowd....] we just [looked at] the Australian data.

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Re: It's not a lie if....
Reply #10 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:22am

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His process is definitely not sound.

Not because of his process, but because he denies any responsibility for determining whether it is true before he posts it. Or even after he posts it. That is for other people to do.

Accusing someone of lying assumes they have a mind of their own. Bobby is saying he is not lying because he can not or will not think for himself. He is just a copy and paste robot. A mindless automaton. So how do you conclude that he is "trying" to tell the truth when he himself denies any effort or responsibility?

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Reply #11 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:39am

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

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His process is definitely not sound.

Not because of his process, but because he denies any responsibility for determining whether it is true before he posts it. Or even after he posts it. That is for other people to do.

Accusing someone of lying assumes they have a mind of their own. Bobby is saying he is not lying because he can not or will not think for himself. He is just a copy and paste robot. A mindless automaton. So how do you conclude that he is "trying" to tell the truth when he himself denies any effort or responsibility?

Yes but it is the same or worse for a lot of the opinion of the right, there are topics everyday where the right have to ignore fact in order to post on topics.

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He is just a copy and paste robot. A mindless automaton.

It is the same story for every poster on 90% of the posting of conspiracy theories. You cannot do any research and post about election theft or defend the stolen documents etc. It isn't just Bobby it is all of them and we all post opinion. Many go worse than cut and paste conspiracy theories we have about 5 guys who consistently just make it up to be what they would theoretically prefer even when the facts say the exact opposite.

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Reply #12 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:43am

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

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His process is definitely not sound.

Not because of his process, but because he denies any responsibility for determining whether it is true before he posts it. Or even after he posts it. That is for other people to do.

Accusing someone of lying assumes they have a mind of their own. Bobby is saying he is not lying because he can not or will not think for himself. He is just a copy and paste robot. A mindless automaton. So how do you conclude that he is "trying" to tell the truth when he himself denies any effort or responsibility?

I think Bobby gets to this point when he knows that he isn't going to win the argument. Its just a bit of a defence mechanism he uses when he realises that he is wrong. He starts trying to argue that it is correct.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: It's not a lie if.... Reply #13 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 8:46am Hi FD, very funny - I enjoyed that - now - what do you want me to say?
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