freediver wrote on Dec 17
th, 2022 at 1:34pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 17
th, 2022 at 1:32pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17
th, 2022 at 6:22am:
Quote:so you need to identify which part is "communist party gibberish"
All of it. It is also meaningless.
Fail. "Meaningless" to you maybe; let's take it slowly for you:
We are discussing behaviour AND ideology, beginning with:
1. The self-preserving, unconscious, instinctive 'survival' mechanisms, located in the 'reptilian brain - 'basal ganglia' in humans:
"In MacLean's triune brain model, the basal ganglia are referred to as the reptilian or primal brain, as this structure is in control of our innate and automatic self-preserving behavior patterns, which ensure our survival and that of our species.Note the observation: "our survival" meaning each one of us (ie the individual), compared with "our species" meaning the collective (homo sapiens).
Understood, so far?
Ooh, I can't wait till you get to the meaningless communist party gibberish. Go on.
Ah, I will assume you have understood the first of the three related concepts presented in my "meaningless c.p. gibberish". That's progress, so let's look at #2:
2. "delusional 'individual natural rights', which don't exist in nature; only conscious desires exist among humans, in nature".
ie 'individual natural rights', such as posited "rights" to life, liberty, property, etc etc (add your own desires) which are expressions of the desires located in the sub-conscious 'mammalian brain', and conscious 'cortex brain' (of the triune brain already noted).
eg, subconscious (mammalian) claims (or desires) among the higher animals (mammals) for territory; compared with conscious ego-driven claims (or desires) for personal property, among humans.
Note: the very basic "desire" for life (confused with a postulated "right to life" which doesn't exist in nature because nature doesn't give two hoots about your individual survival) is more properly described as the INSTINCT for life, located in the basal ganglia, as already discussed; "desire for life" is moot.
otoh, the desire for "liberty" is less instinct and more
conscious desire, eg crocodiles certainly aren't aware of the existence of liberty, but presumably the 'higher' (larger-brained) mammals are.
Can you see the difference between claims (or desires) - conscious or subconscious - which exist in objective reality (nature), compared with postulated so-called "natural individual rights" which are inventions of the human 'cortex' brain, and do NOT exist in objective reality/nature?
Or can you show us that a "right" to life - and any other thing you might wish to claim as a "natural right" - does indeed exist in objective reality, when I have already shown nature doesn't even recognise the king of all individual "natural rights" ie the "right to the life" (of the individual?