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Reply #480 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:32pm

Sophia wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

If the neighbour went there to investigate because he heard gunshots… why would anyone do that? If he was known to his neighbours he would phone them to ask “what’s happening? Everything okay?” Then again… maybe he did phone and no answer hence he went to see if they were okay… that is if he knew them.
If he didn’t know them… who in their right mind would go to a strangers property if you hear gunshots?

But then again… if someone is into drugs… it does drop their inhibitions somewhat… so venturing forth without much thought except for curiosity.

You can just look at the state of someone's teeth to know that it is highly likely that they are into drugs. Without accurately knowing all the details, I can only guess that the neighbour went to investigate the shooting. If you have ever heard gunfire in real life, it can be confusing as to what it is that is happening. I could imagine the neighbour went to investigate the shooting; was spotted; turned to run back to his house; and was shot in the back.

Neighbours usually don't have each other's telephone numbers. If you heard gunshots, you would not normally phone your neighbours to ask if they are okay. A normal reaction would be to look outside to find the source of the popping sounds.

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Reply #481 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:10pm:

The cops were lured into a trap:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11543639/Wieambilla-shooting-Cop-killer...

Ms De Jager said she later received a message from his older brother Gareth who sent her abusive text messages for bringing police into the matter.

Nathaniel remained in contact with some family members but had not been seen since December last year after he quit his job as principal of the Walgett Community College Primary School.

Police issued a public appeal for information following the missing persons report that was made on December 4 - which prompted a phone call suggesting he was north of the border in Wieambilla.

Detectives now suspect the mysterious phone call that lured police to the property
came from the killers, obsessed with prepping for doomsday scenarios.

'They are looking at this possibility that they called NSW police and told them they 'think they know where he is',' a police source told The Australian.

'NSW police acted on that and asked their Queensland counterparts to look into it as part of a routine missing persons' inquiry.

'He was the bait.'

Daily Mail Australia has contacted NSW and Queensland Police for comment on the line of inquiry.

The development comes as new evidence suggests the ambush may have been planned.

Detectives scouring the property in recent days have uncovered the terrifying extent of the 'death trap' set up by the paranoid trio - who were also in a bizarre love triangle.

Investigators told Daily Mail Australia they established a 'kill zone' where they planned to trap any officers who came to the home with an electronic trip wire giving them time to get into their camo gear and load up their weapons.

Police found holes in the siege house walls and so many bullet casings from the 90-minute firefight that they were 'setting off metal detectors like pinball machines'.

An elaborate 'extensive virtual surveillance box' was also set up by the murderous Train trio.

I was wondering who'd made that call.
My hunch was they did themselves.

It was a deliberate suicide mission.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 151136 Gender:	Re: Police 'executed' in Qld Reply #482 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:36pm Queensland Baptist church Anti-vaxxers Happy clappers How many red flags do you need?
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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #483 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:38pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:32pm:

Sophia wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

If the neighbour went there to investigate because he heard gunshots… why would anyone do that? If he was known to his neighbours he would phone them to ask “what’s happening? Everything okay?” Then again… maybe he did phone and no answer hence he went to see if they were okay… that is if he knew them.
If he didn’t know them… who in their right mind would go to a strangers property if you hear gunshots?

But then again… if someone is into drugs… it does drop their inhibitions somewhat… so venturing forth without much thought except for curiosity.

You can just look at the state of someone's teeth to know that it is highly likely that they are into drugs. Without accurately knowing all the details, I can only guess that the neighbour went to investigate the shooting. If you have ever heard gunfire in real life, it can be confusing as to what it is that is happening. I could imagine the neighbour went to investigate the shooting; was spotted; turned to run back to his house; and was shot in the back.

Neighbours usually don't have each other's telephone numbers. If you heard gunshots, you would not normally phone your neighbours to ask if they are okay. A normal reaction would be to look outside to find the source of the popping sounds.

I'd say you are 100% correct there.

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Reply #484 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:39pm

Sophia wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Sophia wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:50am:

I still can’t understand how 3 reasonably educated people that were actively in community become the way they did.
Perhaps that heart attack did something to stop blood flow to the reasoning or empathic part of brain?

Years ago, we had public awareness advertisements talking about the dangers of ice addiction. Even educated people can have a severe change in personality whilst on the drug. I could imagine that a "missing person" might well have been on the drug for some time and was caught up in the habit with his brother.

As much as I want to refrain from talking about the deceased neighbour, I could possibly deem him a drug user himself. Perhaps he condoned the drug usage of the suspects. And that invariably lead to him getting killed by the suspects.

If the neighbour went there to investigate because he heard gunshots… why would anyone do that?

He went there to investigate a fire, not gunshots.

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Reply #485 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 2:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 2:47pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

Significant decrease in Police fatalities since 2006?

Could that be because proportionally we actually have less Police?

I saw a person tracking the movements of their stolen Land Cruiser ute for the past 2 weeks- west of Toowoomba in towns near where the shootings just occurred ... Chinchilla & Dalby ... they even had service station cctv footage...the thieves were bold as brass - hadn't even changed the number plates

it was reported to Police & the owner was advised the Police didn't have the resources(man power) to apprehend these thieves....

yet 4 coppers go to a property on a missing persons & then 3hrs 42mins later a 13/16 man special emergency response team arrive in an armour plated Bear Cat vehicle to shoot it out with the Train nutters shooting them dead by 10.30pm.

Mind you they didn't even check on the neighbour laying in the road to see if he was still alive.

Lack of resources ey?

It looked beaten up and it was taken away on a trailer.

Queensland Police SERT Lenco Bearcat G3 review

https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/queensland-police-sert-lenco-bearcat-g3-revie...

maximum speed 112 km/hr

These 2 brothers were apparently very unhinged BACK as teenagers. They were control freaks as adults and very abusive. Reports are now emerging about how they abused Stacey (their shared wife 😳) into submission and even harmed animals in front of school children.

These red flags should have been reported and actioned.

What does that say about the risk assessment the cops did before going in? Embarrassed

There probably was none ... The Sargent at Tara cop shop must be feeling a bit embarrassed right now - sending green rookies out there ... perhaps the Sarg should have gone with them, give them a bit of training on the job

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 118182 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Police 'executed' in Qld Reply #486 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:40pm Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:35pm: I was wondering who'd made that call. My hunch was they did themselves. It was a deliberate suicide mission. Dogs. It was a suicide mission just like terrorists.
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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #487 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:40pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:38pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:32pm:

Sophia wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

If the neighbour went there to investigate because he heard gunshots… why would anyone do that? If he was known to his neighbours he would phone them to ask “what’s happening? Everything okay?” Then again… maybe he did phone and no answer hence he went to see if they were okay… that is if he knew them.
If he didn’t know them… who in their right mind would go to a strangers property if you hear gunshots?

But then again… if someone is into drugs… it does drop their inhibitions somewhat… so venturing forth without much thought except for curiosity.

You can just look at the state of someone's teeth to know that it is highly likely that they are into drugs. Without accurately knowing all the details, I can only guess that the neighbour went to investigate the shooting. If you have ever heard gunfire in real life, it can be confusing as to what it is that is happening. I could imagine the neighbour went to investigate the shooting; was spotted; turned to run back to his house; and was shot in the back.

Neighbours usually don't have each other's telephone numbers. If you heard gunshots, you would not normally phone your neighbours to ask if they are okay. A normal reaction would be to look outside to find the source of the popping sounds.

I'd say you are 100% correct there.

Yes.

Except he was investigating a fire, not gunshots.

“He went to help the neighbours ‘cause he thought there was a fire and heard bangs like maybe the house was on fire."

“He’s gone down to investigate and must’ve realised something was up because the smoke wasn’t coming from the house.”

Alan was gunned down, shot in the back from 150m, never knowing the extent of the horror that was unfolding.

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #488 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:43pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

What does that say about the risk assessment the cops did before going in? Embarrassed

There probably was none ... The Sargent at Tara cop shop must be feeling a bit embarrassed right now - sending green rookies out there ... perhaps the Sarg should have gone with them, give them a bit of training on the job.

He must be feeling so bad today but he didn't know.

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Reply #490 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:53pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:49pm:

Apparently, we are not grown up enough to see/know the facts. Fuq this suppression.

Seems to me it might be all about tin plating copper arsehole.

Link.

Media urged to not re-post video

The Queensland Police Service issued a statement saying the Trains footage "is distressing to the families of those involved and police".

"We respectfully request media outlets, including social media platforms and traditional media outlets, to remove this content from their platforms and discontinue broadcast, if they have not already," the statement said.

"We also urge members of the public not to re-post or share this content."
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ABC News has chosen not to show the video or details of the accounts it was posted on. However, comments from the Trains that outline their apparent motives and actions have been included.

Queensland Police Union president Ian Leavers said the videos should not be shared by media outlets as "that is exactly what these cold-blooded executioners wanted".

"They wanted notoriety, publicity and fame for their evil, deranged and insane views and they should be de-platformed immediately and not have their evil amplified," Mr Leavers said.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese also encouraged media outlets and others to not republish the Trains' recordings "in any way".

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 151136 Gender:	Re: Police 'executed' in Qld Reply #491 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:54pm The video will be on the web by the end of the day
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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #492 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 4:08pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:38pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:32pm:

Sophia wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

If the neighbour went there to investigate because he heard gunshots… why would anyone do that? If he was known to his neighbours he would phone them to ask “what’s happening? Everything okay?” Then again… maybe he did phone and no answer hence he went to see if they were okay… that is if he knew them.
If he didn’t know them… who in their right mind would go to a strangers property if you hear gunshots?

But then again… if someone is into drugs… it does drop their inhibitions somewhat… so venturing forth without much thought except for curiosity.

You can just look at the state of someone's teeth to know that it is highly likely that they are into drugs. Without accurately knowing all the details, I can only guess that the neighbour went to investigate the shooting. If you have ever heard gunfire in real life, it can be confusing as to what it is that is happening. I could imagine the neighbour went to investigate the shooting; was spotted; turned to run back to his house; and was shot in the back.

Neighbours usually don't have each other's telephone numbers. If you heard gunshots, you would not normally phone your neighbours to ask if they are okay. A normal reaction would be to look outside to find the source of the popping sounds.

I'd say you are 100% correct there.

And what about the rest of the post?

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Reply #493 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 4:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:54pm:

The video will be on the web by the end of the day Grin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11544493/Wieambilla-shooting-American-c...

In the eight-minute video, posted on Monday afternoon just three hours before the siege began, the woman reads from an

apocalyptic biblical book called '2 Esdras'.

The book was removed from the Bible in the 1880s, and talks about a 'future age' which will one day replace the present world order - as well as justifying why God lets evil happen in the world.

Bible, King James Version
2 Esdras

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=3609614

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Reply #494 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 4:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:40pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:38pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 3:32pm:

Sophia wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

If the neighbour went there to investigate because he heard gunshots… why would anyone do that? If he was known to his neighbours he would phone them to ask “what’s happening? Everything okay?” Then again… maybe he did phone and no answer hence he went to see if they were okay… that is if he knew them.
If he didn’t know them… who in their right mind would go to a strangers property if you hear gunshots?

But then again… if someone is into drugs… it does drop their inhibitions somewhat… so venturing forth without much thought except for curiosity.

You can just look at the state of someone's teeth to know that it is highly likely that they are into drugs. Without accurately knowing all the details, I can only guess that the neighbour went to investigate the shooting. If you have ever heard gunfire in real life, it can be confusing as to what it is that is happening. I could imagine the neighbour went to investigate the shooting; was spotted; turned to run back to his house; and was shot in the back.

Neighbours usually don't have each other's telephone numbers. If you heard gunshots, you would not normally phone your neighbours to ask if they are okay. A normal reaction would be to look outside to find the source of the popping sounds.

I'd say you are 100% correct there.

Yes.

Except he was investigating a fire, not gunshots.

“He went to help the neighbours ‘cause he thought there was a fire and heard bangs like maybe the house was on fire."

“He’s gone down to investigate and must’ve realised something was up because the smoke wasn’t coming from the house.”

Alan was gunned down, shot in the back from 150m, never knowing the extent of the horror that was unfolding.

According to that statement, it seems that the neighbour was investigating the sounds of gunfire, perhaps mistakenly thinking of fire creating popping sounds. Two of the four police in attendance fled the scene. The fire was started to draw the officer(s) out of the bushland. Two officers were already shot dead by that point.

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