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Reply #255 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:18am

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 7:57am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 7:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 7:40am:

Who the hell is selling guns to psycho groups?

Dunno.
Plenty of criminal enterprises out there.
Plenty of corruption from gov, right through to the wharfs.
Money talks.

My point was more about the laws.
With the current laws there should be no semi auto or NATO/Russian type weapons available in Australia, yet there are.

We've yet to find out exactly what guns they had.

Exactly.
There's a lot of inconsistencies in this story.
If they could keep it quiet, my guess is they would have, hence the little dribbles of info that just do not add up.

The weapons were either illigal semi auto or NATO/Russian type weapons that would scare the crap out of Australians if it was published consistantly and possibly lower confidence in policing even further, or they were just your run of the mill bolt actions.

My guess is the later.
Whitnesses claimed "semi auto" sounding, but it could have been several single shots with magazines.
You can pull a bolt back pretty quickly, and if there are three weapons discharging all at once, emptying the mags, then it would sound like semi auto fire.
Also, if the stolen glocks were discharged then that would be semi auto fire.
There's 17 rounds in one clip. I don't believe the cops would be on the 10 round limit magazine's like the general pop.

This is too big for the Queensland cops to handle.
We need a proper Federal investigation.

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #256 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:22am

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 11:05pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 11:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 10:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 5:28am:

So - the police killed those responsible for the murders.
Now we'll never know why it all happened. Undecided

Investigators can piece together why it happened through the psychological profiles of the offenders. All the circumstances that lead up to the police attending that residence. Witness accounts. Investigation of bank and mobile phone records. I would be sure that this is not a one-off occasion for the police visiting the area. In fairly short time, you will hear most of the story about why it happened.

3 people turn into psychotic execution killers?

It doesn't make sense.
One of them was a headmaster of a school and another was a teacher.
What the hell was going on?

Maybe it has been a long time since you were at school. 26 years have passed since I was last at high school. You could imagine the stress that teachers go through. I could imagine that students might well have witnessed a dark side of these people in the previous years.

A female teacher turns into a murdering psycho?

Ice addicts would turn into murdering psychos.

The pictures I've seen of the teacher do not indicate he is a meth user.
You can tell.
When they're just starting out, the psychosis isn't really concerning yet.
The more they use, their body deteriorates and the psychosis becomes more prevelent in their actions.
This is just my opinion but I've grown up around hard drugs and that image of the teacher is not one that would indicate he is a heavy meth user.

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #257 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:26am

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

The pictures I've seen of the teacher do not indicate he is a meth user.
You can tell.
When they're just starting out, the psychosis isn't really concerning yet.
The more they use, their body deteriorates and the psychosis becomes more prevelent in their actions.
This is just my opinion but I've grown up around hard drugs and that image of the teacher is not one that would indicate he is a heavy meth user.

The teacher was a female.

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #258 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:28am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 7:57am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 7:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 7:40am:

Who the hell is selling guns to psycho groups?

Dunno.
Plenty of criminal enterprises out there.
Plenty of corruption from gov, right through to the wharfs.
Money talks.

My point was more about the laws.
With the current laws there should be no semi auto or NATO/Russian type weapons available in Australia, yet there are.

We've yet to find out exactly what guns they had.

Exactly.
There's a lot of inconsistencies in this story.
If they could keep it quiet, my guess is they would have, hence the little dribbles of info that just do not add up.

The weapons were either illigal semi auto or NATO/Russian type weapons that would scare the crap out of Australians if it was published consistantly and possibly lower confidence in policing even further, or they were just your run of the mill bolt actions.

My guess is the later.
Whitnesses claimed "semi auto" sounding, but it could have been several single shots with magazines.
You can pull a bolt back pretty quickly, and if there are three weapons discharging all at once, emptying the mags, then it would sound like semi auto fire.
Also, if the stolen glocks were discharged then that would be semi auto fire.
There's 17 rounds in one clip. I don't believe the cops would be on the 10 round limit magazine's like the general pop.

This is too big for the Queensland cops to handle.
We need a proper Federal investigation.

It will probably go that way considering the missing persons is from interstate.
Reported missing 12 months ago, but keeps in touch with family.
That's not a missing person.

Also, that family he was contacting did not inform the cops.
That's kinda like nearly bordering on accessory to the fact, no?

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #259 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:29am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:26am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

The pictures I've seen of the teacher do not indicate he is a meth user.
You can tell.
When they're just starting out, the psychosis isn't really concerning yet.
The more they use, their body deteriorates and the psychosis becomes more prevelent in their actions.
This is just my opinion but I've grown up around hard drugs and that image of the teacher is not one that would indicate he is a heavy meth user.

The teacher was a female.

The bloke with the beard was as well wasn't he?
Sorry, can't remember his name.

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #260 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:31am

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:28am:

It will probably go that way considering the missing persons is from interstate.
Reported missing 12 months ago, but keeps in touch with family.
That's not a missing person.

Also, that family he was contacting did not inform the cops.
That's kinda like nearly bordering on accessory to the fact, no?

How could he be a missing person if he was staying with his family?

None of this makes sense.

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #261 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:31am

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:26am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

The pictures I've seen of the teacher do not indicate he is a meth user.
You can tell.
When they're just starting out, the psychosis isn't really concerning yet.
The more they use, their body deteriorates and the psychosis becomes more prevelent in their actions.
This is just my opinion but I've grown up around hard drugs and that image of the teacher is not one that would indicate he is a heavy meth user.

The teacher was a female.

The bloke with the beard was as well wasn't he?
Sorry, can't remember his name.

The guy with beard was a former headmaster of a school.
He left after a heart attack.

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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #262 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:38am

Gnads wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 6:19am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 10:30pm:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 8:29pm:

Mad or desperate, these men are unlikely to be taken into custody.

I don't think it was their decision.

How do you come up with that?

Of course it was their decision.

You don't shoot down coppers, execute them on the ground, take their pistols, try & hunt down, flush out to kill 2 more coppers & not know that special forces are going to turn up and respond with armed force if you're not going to surrender give up.

You, like them are another person with a distrust of Police. Roll Eyes

What I mean is that the offenders would likely be gunned down by the police, even if they were to peacefully surrender to the police. But that would be wrong of me to say that, as the police would be required to be professional in apprehending the suspects. The reality, though, maybe that the police might well have had the option of gunning down the suspects. All three suspects must have been armed and ready to shoot the police. I reserve judgement until the details are released about what happened in those final moments. I am actually on the side of the police on this incident. I cannot see how police could be in the wrong.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4443 Gender:	Re: Police 'executed' in Qld Reply #263 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:44am Mental illness together with Criminal activity It is very real
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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #264 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:45am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:31am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:26am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

The pictures I've seen of the teacher do not indicate he is a meth user.
You can tell.
When they're just starting out, the psychosis isn't really concerning yet.
The more they use, their body deteriorates and the psychosis becomes more prevelent in their actions.
This is just my opinion but I've grown up around hard drugs and that image of the teacher is not one that would indicate he is a heavy meth user.

The teacher was a female.

The bloke with the beard was as well wasn't he?
Sorry, can't remember his name.

The guy with beard was a former headmaster of a school.
He left after a heart attack.

Yeah rodgy.
Just a teacher with an extra stripe.
The headmaster does not look like a typical psycho meth head.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25181 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Police 'executed' in Qld Reply #265 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:46am Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:18am: This is too big for the Queensland cops to handle. We need a proper Federal investigation. You have a real antagonism for the Qld police, have you not?
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Re: Police 'executed' in Qld
Reply #266 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:49am

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

This is too big for the Queensland cops to handle.
We need a proper Federal investigation.

You have a real antagonism for the Qld police, have you not?

You don't need antagonism to make a logical comment. Why should Qld Coppers investigate Qld coppers? I agree with Bobby. This is far too serious and should be investigated by some authority having no kinship interest with Coppers.

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Reply #267 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:50am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:31am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:26am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

The pictures I've seen of the teacher do not indicate he is a meth user.
You can tell.
When they're just starting out, the psychosis isn't really concerning yet.
The more they use, their body deteriorates and the psychosis becomes more prevelent in their actions.
This is just my opinion but I've grown up around hard drugs and that image of the teacher is not one that would indicate he is a heavy meth user.

The teacher was a female.

The bloke with the beard was as well wasn't he?
Sorry, can't remember his name.

The guy with beard was a former headmaster of a school.
He left after a heart attack.

And then was supposed to go missing somehow so it was reported to police as there were concerns about his health.
If he did get in touch with family… perhaps from an undisclosed location so the family may have had contact from him but maybe never actually saw him.
Hence why he may have stayed on missing person list.

I was thinking this morning …. since he was an ex principal…. and on missing person list….
There was no inkling of any reason to indicate danger.
So from a nurturing mummy viewpoint… I could see how the superiors sent the young rookies to do something achievable for their status of locating a missing person.
The young deceased female officer had only been in the force for 6 weeks.
How nice it would have been to say early in her career she and her partner located a missing person.

I still can’t understand how 3 reasonably educated people that were actively in community become the way they did.
Perhaps that heart attack did something to stop blood flow to the reasoning or empathic part of brain?

Then to have such an obsession with Port Arthur massacre hence the gun control thereafter….and these 3 with so many guns as an indication “you aren’t controlling us about guns” ….

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Reply #268 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:54am

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:31am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:26am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:22am:

The pictures I've seen of the teacher do not indicate he is a meth user.
You can tell.
When they're just starting out, the psychosis isn't really concerning yet.
The more they use, their body deteriorates and the psychosis becomes more prevelent in their actions.
This is just my opinion but I've grown up around hard drugs and that image of the teacher is not one that would indicate he is a heavy meth user.

The teacher was a female.

The bloke with the beard was as well wasn't he?
Sorry, can't remember his name.

The guy with beard was a former headmaster of a school.
He left after a heart attack.

Yeah rodgy.
Just a teacher with an extra stripe.
The headmaster does not look like a typical psycho meth head.

He doesn’t look like a meth head …. In that picture!
It’s an earlier photo whilst he was still okay and actively working before a heart attack?

How did he look recently? Anyone have a picture of him in most recent times?

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 23127 ACT Gender:	Re: Police 'executed' in Qld Reply #269 - Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:54am The thing I found a bit strange was why were 4 cops sent to chase up a missing persons report. I would have thought one would have been enough!
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