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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #165 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 2:27pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 11:22am:
"But the fact that you see it perfectly normal and accurate to claim this is representative of all Indigenous Australians is what people are talking about, and highlighting in your behaviour."

Nobody says that


Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am:
In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?


Yes


a.  he's talking about a predisposition to anti-social norms as clearly demonstrated in certain cultural groups.

b.  he's giving you back the same kind of sweeping generalisation that you (and others here) employ as one of your basic tools of wordfare.

c.  he is successfully removing the piste from you ...
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #166 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 2:48pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 11:22am:
"But the fact that you see it perfectly normal and accurate to claim this is representative of all Indigenous Australians is what people are talking about, and highlighting in your behaviour."

Nobody says that


Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am:
In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?


Yes


a.  he's talking about a predisposition to anti-social norms as clearly demonstrated in certain cultural groups.

b.  he's giving you back the same kind of sweeping generalisation that you (and others here) employ as one of your basic tools of wordfare.

c.  he is successfully removing the piste from you ...


You lot seem to do that all the time...

"Oh he's just taking the piss"

"Oh I was just joking about using the army to kill 90% of indigenous australians because may 10% are worth saving"

Do you really think that defense works?

Should I insult you, or invite you to be painfully killed somehow, but the just claim I was being sarcastic or was just kidding or taking the piss?

And if you click on the quote links and see the full context, you'll see he's not talking about social norms, he's accusing them all of being child rapists and murderers.
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #167 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:13pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 2:48pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 11:22am:
"But the fact that you see it perfectly normal and accurate to claim this is representative of all Indigenous Australians is what people are talking about, and highlighting in your behaviour."

Nobody says that


Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am:
In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?


Yes


a.  he's talking about a predisposition to anti-social norms as clearly demonstrated in certain cultural groups.

b.  he's giving you back the same kind of sweeping generalisation that you (and others here) employ as one of your basic tools of wordfare.

c.  he is successfully removing the piste from you ...


You lot seem to do that all the time...

"Oh he's just taking the piss"

"Oh I was just joking about using the army to kill 90% of indigenous australians because may 10% are worth saving"

Do you really think that defense works?

Should I insult you, or invite you to be painfully killed somehow, but the just claim I was being sarcastic or was just kidding or taking the piss?

And if you click on the quote links and see the full context, you'll see he's not talking about social norms, he's accusing them all of being child rapists and murderers.


Of course it's parody - nobody would seriously entertain the idea of the army shooting 90% of them!!  Probably 20% would suffice.... maybe 30-40% at a pinch..

Well - they DO predominate in the woman killing stakes and the child abuse and neglect stakes along with the endemic violence stakes... get into those real issues....they kill and maim far more of their own than anyone else ever did - it's a culture of violence... would you , without taking good precautions, employ someone from a violent culture on a job, feeling always that if there is any dispute, violence will be used to settle it?

It's part of the way they are brought up.... and I've worked with some and that is exactly how they behave ...
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #168 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:18pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 9:27pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:05pm:
Well ...there IS strong majority support to 'close the gap' among the Oz population, so you might need to start presenting some ideas on how to close the gap, if you want to avoid the voice being added to the constitution.


We've tried that, but he keeps trying to further dehumanise our Indigenous population and he has no interest in closing the gap, he's made it clear they already have too much and are above their standing in his opinion.

This is the biggest part of the problem and a key indicator of his true motivation.



I lived and worked in the NT for many years and was a first responder to their extreme violence.

Do not tell me you know me - you have not been where I have been or seen what I have seen.

Look at the statistics for Violence - rape - assault - murder in the NT and tell me the Voice is going to fix it - it will not.

They are doing the dehumanising for themselves and don't need my help.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, looks like we only have your word for all that, Matty.  Until you produce some evidence to back your claims, they remain just that, claims and all without substance.  Indigenous people don't need your help.  In fact I suspect they would ignore it as being duplicitous in extremis, you are on record here for being extremely Racist.  Perhaps the most Racist of posters, even more so than Soren or Gnads or Aqua.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #169 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:20pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 5:37am:
Like that Indian Doctor I am traumatised by what I have seen.

You Latte sipping Inner City Lefties will never understand anything.


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Boring and of course extreme Right Wing as well, Matty.  Ooh, dearie, dearie, me, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #170 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 9:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:18pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 9:27pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:05pm:
Well ...there IS strong majority support to 'close the gap' among the Oz population, so you might need to start presenting some ideas on how to close the gap, if you want to avoid the voice being added to the constitution.


We've tried that, but he keeps trying to further dehumanise our Indigenous population and he has no interest in closing the gap, he's made it clear they already have too much and are above their standing in his opinion.

This is the biggest part of the problem and a key indicator of his true motivation.



I lived and worked in the NT for many years and was a first responder to their extreme violence.

Do not tell me you know me - you have not been where I have been or seen what I have seen.

Look at the statistics for Violence - rape - assault - murder in the NT and tell me the Voice is going to fix it - it will not.

They are doing the dehumanising for themselves and don't need my help.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, looks like we only have your word for all that, Matty.  Until you produce some evidence to back your claims, they remain just that, claims and all without substance.  Indigenous people don't need your help.  In fact I suspect they would ignore it as being duplicitous in extremis, you are on record here for being extremely Racist.  Perhaps the most Racist of posters, even more so than Soren or Gnads or Aqua.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Ha Ha Ha

you really are stark raving mad

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #171 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 9:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 5:37am:
Like that Indian Doctor I am traumatised by what I have seen.

You Latte sipping Inner City Lefties will never understand anything.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Boring and of course extreme Right Wing as well, Matty.  Ooh, dearie, dearie, me, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Even seen a raped child? How about a woman half dead with an axe?

Seen people with spears sticking out of them?

Assisted at a post mortem of a child beaten to death?

Its not something you forget - EVER
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #172 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 10:08pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:18pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 9:27pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:05pm:
Well ...there IS strong majority support to 'close the gap' among the Oz population, so you might need to start presenting some ideas on how to close the gap, if you want to avoid the voice being added to the constitution.


We've tried that, but he keeps trying to further dehumanise our Indigenous population and he has no interest in closing the gap, he's made it clear they already have too much and are above their standing in his opinion.

This is the biggest part of the problem and a key indicator of his true motivation.



I lived and worked in the NT for many years and was a first responder to their extreme violence.

Do not tell me you know me - you have not been where I have been or seen what I have seen.

Look at the statistics for Violence - rape - assault - murder in the NT and tell me the Voice is going to fix it - it will not.

They are doing the dehumanising for themselves and don't need my help.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, looks like we only have your word for all that, Matty.  Until you produce some evidence to back your claims, they remain just that, claims and all without substance.  Indigenous people don't need your help.  In fact I suspect they would ignore it as being duplicitous in extremis, you are on record here for being extremely Racist.  Perhaps the most Racist of posters, even more so than Soren or Gnads or Aqua.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Ha Ha Ha

you really are stark raving mad


...

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, poor, poor, Matty.  The "stark raving mad" people treat all who question their sanity as being, "stark raving mad", Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #173 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 10:09pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 9:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 5:37am:
Like that Indian Doctor I am traumatised by what I have seen.

You Latte sipping Inner City Lefties will never understand anything.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Boring and of course extreme Right Wing as well, Matty.  Ooh, dearie, dearie, me, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Even seen a raped child? How about a woman half dead with an axe?

Seen people with spears sticking out of them?

Assisted at a post mortem of a child beaten to death?

Its not something you forget - EVER


...

Poor, poor, Matty, you see terrible things in your mum's basement, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #174 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 7:42am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 10:09pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 9:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 5:37am:
Like that Indian Doctor I am traumatised by what I have seen.

You Latte sipping Inner City Lefties will never understand anything.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Boring and of course extreme Right Wing as well, Matty.  Ooh, dearie, dearie, me, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Even seen a raped child? How about a woman half dead with an axe?

Seen people with spears sticking out of them?

Assisted at a post mortem of a child beaten to death?

Its not something you forget - EVER


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Poor, poor, Matty, you see terrible things in your mum's basement, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grandiose - Omipotent - Devaluing

Textbook Narcissist
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #175 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:50pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 7:42am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 10:09pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 9:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Boris wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 5:37am:
Like that Indian Doctor I am traumatised by what I have seen.

You Latte sipping Inner City Lefties will never understand anything.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Boring and of course extreme Right Wing as well, Matty.  Ooh, dearie, dearie, me, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Even seen a raped child? How about a woman half dead with an axe?

Seen people with spears sticking out of them?

Assisted at a post mortem of a child beaten to death?

Its not something you forget - EVER


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Poor, poor, Matty, you see terrible things in your mum's basement, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grandiose - Omipotent - Devaluing

Textbook Narcissist


...

Oh dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #176 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 1:00pm
 


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Reply #177 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 1:31pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
Grandiose - Omipotent - Devaluing

Textbook Narcissist


...

Oh dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #178 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 1:40pm
 
Anything the No campaign says can and will be construed as “misinformation”. We have seen this already with the appalling attacks by Noel Pearson and Marcia Langton’s on Jacinta Price. Brace for much more of that — and wonder, too, if the bile and attempts at character assassination are a foretaste of an empowered Voice?

To make an informed self-determination at the referendum’s ballot box, ordinary Australians must have full access to both sides of the argument, pro and con, which the Albanese government has already legislated to ensure this won’t happen. Meanwhile, Australians are subjected to a daily and massive pro-Yes propaganda barrage by the taxpayer-funded ABC and SBS. If Australians prove slow on the uptake, allow ourselves to be persuaded by the government’s nakedly rigged ‘information’ offensive and vote Yes despite changes to the Constitution having yet to be revealed, it will be too late!

Labor and their confident, conceited acolytes would have us believe that support for the Yes vote is a lay down misère. It is beholden upon the rest of us — those who care about Australia as a whole rather than advancing the narrow interests of one group only — to contest the creation of a separate and sovereign Aboriginal nation on the Australian continent, for that is where the ‘Voice’ will take us. Once embedded in the Constitution, such an internal ‘sovereign nation’ will be impossible to dismantle. Despite Albanese &Co’s efforts to promote one side of the debate and suppress the other, this is the threat and the message all Australians must hear.
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Reply #179 - Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:47pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, and your outright Racism is completely innocent of any wrong doing, hey, Matty?  Bullshit, all your posts drip with character assassinations, outright lies and so on.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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