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SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Dec 8^th, 2022 at 10:59pm

A young Adelaide woman is in an induced coma in hospital and facing the
possibility of losing her foot after a terrifying sequence of events which
followed an overseas holiday in Bali.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-08/adelaide-couple-face-covid-heart-and-ampu...

She was placed on an ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation)
machine for cardiac and respiratory support after being diagnosed with
myocarditis linked to her COVID infection. While the 24-year-old's
condition is now stable, she remains heavily sedated in the hospital's ICU,
and is unable to communicate verbally.

The medication she was being administered had restricted her blood flow,
meaning it was now possible she could lose her right foot. The drugs they
administer to keep you alive constrict the blood vessels, and vital organs
have large blood vessels, but the feet and the toes have really small ones.

While other explanations could not be ruled out, including that a vaccine
had caused the heart inflammation or that there was "possibly an underlying
condition", doctors believed COVID was the trigger.

Although primarily COVID attacks the lungs, it can actually impact any organ
of the body, including the brain, and can cause inflammation, or cause
micro blood clots. One of the things that is known is that COVID can cause
myocarditis.

—An important takeaway from this report is that her prior vaccination was not
considered to be a contributor to her myocarditis. Although I'm sure the usual
clique of anti-vaxxers here will claim the vaccine was obviously and definitely
the cause of her myocarditis—rather than COVID itself. We'll see.

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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #1 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 11:19pm

Yes, this is an absolute tragedy.

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Although I'm sure the usual clique of anti-vaxxers here will claim the vaccine was obviously and definitely the cause of her myocarditis—rather than COVID itself. We'll see.

One of the clique was here earlier although he seems to be in the "not sure it wasn't the vax" category at the moment.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1670399302/12#12

Sir Nail and possibly others will follow in due course, I'm sure.

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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #2 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 11:27pm

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 10:59pm:

A young Adelaide woman is in an induced coma in hospital and facing the
possibility of losing her foot after a terrifying sequence of events which
followed an overseas holiday in Bali.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-08/adelaide-couple-face-covid-heart-and-ampu...

She was placed on an ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation)
machine for cardiac and respiratory support after being diagnosed with
myocarditis linked to her COVID infection. While the 24-year-old's
condition is now stable, she remains heavily sedated in the hospital's ICU,
and is unable to communicate verbally.

The medication she was being administered had restricted her blood flow,
meaning it was now possible she could lose her right foot. The drugs they
administer to keep you alive constrict the blood vessels, and vital organs
have large blood vessels, but the feet and the toes have really small ones.

While other explanations could not be ruled out, including that a vaccine
had caused the heart inflammation or that there was "possibly an underlying
condition", doctors believed COVID was the trigger.

Although primarily COVID attacks the lungs, it can actually impact any organ
of the body, including the brain, and can cause inflammation, or cause
micro blood clots. One of the things that is known is that COVID can cause
myocarditis.

—An important takeaway from this report is that her prior vaccination was not
considered to be a contributor to her myocarditis[. Although I'm sure the usual
clique of anti-vaxxers here will claim the vaccine was obviously and definitely
the cause of her myocarditis—rather than COVID itself. We'll see.

Israeli study shows unvaxxed who catch covid don't get myocarditis.

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The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study

Published: 15 April 2022

Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0.25 to 1.13). We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.

Patients with a first vaccination received before COVID-19 infection were excluded (n = 16,632), resulting in the final COVID-19 cohort (n = 196,992).

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219

Did they have 196,992 unvaxxed people in that study which showed the unvaxxed didn't get myocarditis or pericarditis from covid infection?

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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #3 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 11:30pm

Carl D wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 11:19pm:

Yes, this is an absolute tragedy.

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Although I'm sure the usual clique of anti-vaxxers here will claim the vaccine was obviously and definitely the cause of her myocarditis—rather than COVID itself. We'll see.

One of the clique was here earlier although he seems to be in the "not sure it wasn't the vax" category at the moment.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1670399302/12#12

Sir Nail and possibly others will follow in due course, I'm sure.

The ABC news article say vax can't be ruled out as the cause.

Israeli study shows unvaxxed don't get myocarditis or pericarditis from covid.

The Israelis had priority with vaccine from Pfizer on the condition they would do studies.

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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #4 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 11:52pm

The Israeli study shows unvaxxed don't get Myocarditis or Pericarditis from Covid.

Looks like these Myocarditis cases are being blamed on Covid which makes these vax induced cases much higher.

The vax does SFA to protect you as a bonus you get Myocarditis.

Harvard Professor and Epidemiologist who has pretty much nailed everything since this pandemic began.
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I do not understand why anyone is okay with LinkedIn/Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube/Google and Twitter having censored factually correct covid information.
https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1599171045310623744?cxt=HHwWgMCjrfnls...

Best to keep the sheeple in the dark ignorance is bliss for them.

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6025 Victoria Gender:	Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection Reply #5 - Dec 9^th, 2022 at 1:49am sigh...
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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #6 - Dec 9^th, 2022 at 2:01am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 11:27pm:

...Israeli study shows unvaxxed who catch covid don't get myocarditis.
Quote:

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study
Published: 15 April 2022

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219

The control cohort consisted of 590,976 adults with at least one negative PCR
and no positive PCR, IE: were not prior sufferers of COVID. Of this cohort,
27 patients had myocarditis (0.0046%) and 52 had pericarditis (0.0088%).

Of the cohort study of 196,992 adults post-COVID infection, 9 patients developed
myocarditis (0.0046%), and 11 had pericarditis (0.0056%).

Your interpretation of the actual rates of myocarditis and/or pericarditis within
the post-COVID group versus the non-COVID group is incorrect, and does not
indicate (as you've claimed) that unvaccinated individuals do not get myocarditis.

Nonetheless, it's an interesting large-scale study. Cool

The AJGP reports that post-vaccine myocarditis has been reported, primarily in
younger males several days following a second mRNA vaccine, whereas pericarditis
affects older patients after either the first or second dose. Most cases are mild,
and patients recover completely.

I have noted that several different clinical papers from various global sources seem
to often reach somewhat different conclusions, so as a lay person it's difficult for me
(and others here?) to form a totally unequivocal opinion.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 11:27pm:

The vax does SFA to protect you as a bonus you get myocarditis.

I'm sorry, but this claim is absurd. See below data:

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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #9 - Dec 9^th, 2022 at 9:17am

The Australian government should be urgently investigating the “incredibly high” 13 per cent excess death rate in 2022, the country’s peak actuarial body says.

An extra 15,400 people died in the first eight months of the year, according to new analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) data by the Actuaries Institute, with around one-third of those having no link to Covid.

Karen Cutter, an actuary of more than 25 years and spokeswoman for the institute’s Covid-19 Mortality Working Group, said 13 per cent was an “incredibly high number for mortality” and that it was “not clear” what was driving the increase.

“Mortality doesn’t normally vary by more than 1 to 2 per cent, so 13 per cent is way higher than normal levels,” she said.

“I’m not aware [of anything comparable] in the recent past but I haven’t gone back and looked [historically]. They talk about the flu season of 2017 being really bad, and the mortality there was 1 per cent higher than normal. So it’s well outside the range of normal.”

She added, “In addition to Covid-19 deaths, there are significant numbers of non-Covid deaths – it is not clear what is causing these as there are many factors at play.

More here:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-i...

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Reply #10 - Dec 9^th, 2022 at 9:28am

The Australian government already knows what's causing most of these excess deaths (or they should) but they don't care anymore.

Two-thirds of 15,400 extra Australian deaths in 2022 caused by Covid, study finds

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Total ‘excess’ mortality to August covers coronavirus deaths plus those linked to pandemic factors such as health systems being overwhelmed.

Now, everyone get back to work (even when infected with Covid) and spend, spend, spend for the economy.

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Reply #11 - Dec 9^th, 2022 at 2:04pm

Carl D wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 9:28am:

The Australian government already knows what's causing most of these excess deaths (or they should) but they don't care anymore.

Two-thirds of 15,400 extra Australian deaths in 2022 caused by Covid, study finds

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Total ‘excess’ mortality to August covers coronavirus deaths plus those linked to pandemic factors such as health systems being overwhelmed.

Now, everyone get back to work (even when infected with Covid) and spend, spend, spend for the economy.

If it was caused by the convid I can guarantee you they'd be shouting it from the rafters but all is quiet on the western front. They must be baffled by it Cheesy

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Reply #12 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 2:43am

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 8:49am:

Check it out. Blood Clot In Her Heart - Fully Juiced !!

https://t.me/covidbc/7049

And yet again, Mr Nail makes a total fool of himself by stupidly
failing to check the truth of the silly oversized memes he posts.

He's so keen to "prove" his absurd claims about COVID vaccinations
that he falls over his own feet in his haste to post what he thinks
supports them. Which is, repeatedly, so laughably wrong.

As it turns out—if Mr Nail would've discovered if he'd done 90 seconds
research—Madison Parker has in reality suffered from lupus since childhood,
which has resulted in a clotting disorder, and developed certainly years
before COVID appeared.

The symptoms of lupus are similar to those of influenza (and COVID),
namely fatigue, fever, joint pain, shortness of breath, headaches etc.

If you can be bothered, and check all the other silly anti-vaxxer memes
Mr Nail posts with monotonous regularity, you'll find them too to be a
total misrepresentation of the facts. But of course for anti-vaxxers,
actual facts mean nothing—they just hate them getting in the way of
their beliefs. Sad really.

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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #13 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 5:19am

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 2:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 8:49am:

Check it out. Blood Clot In Her Heart - Fully Juiced !!

https://t.me/covidbc/7049

And yet again, Mr Nail makes a total fool of himself by stupidly
failing to check the truth of the silly oversized memes he posts.

https://i.postimg.cc/y8Q17rZF/photo-2022-12-09-09-48-50-1.jpg

He's so keen to "prove" his absurd claims about COVID vaccinations
that he falls over his own feet in his haste to post what he thinks
supports them. Which is, repeatedly, so laughably wrong.

As it turns out—if Mr Nail would've discovered if he'd done 90 seconds
research—Madison Parker has in reality suffered from lupus since childhood,
which has resulted in a clotting disorder, and developed certainly years
before COVID appeared.

The symptoms of lupus are similar to those of influenza (and COVID),
namely fatigue, fever, joint pain, shortness of breath, headaches etc.

If you can be bothered, and check all the other silly anti-vaxxer memes
Mr Nail posts with monotonous regularity, you'll find them too to be a
total misrepresentation of the facts. But of course for anti-vaxxers,
actual facts mean nothing—they just hate them getting in the way of
their beliefs. Sad really.

the current truth geoff is probably that we dont know and we need to do more studies.

sir nail (whilst i think he should stop posting anecdotal evidence) could say that the pro-vax people are guilty of all the sins of the anti vax people.

how to sort this out?

its a mess.

we cant deny that it IS possible the vax may sensitize the immune response and then the virus itself may cause a "different " experience .

it seems pretty clear that the risk of hospitalisation is less but what about other things?

we simply dont know.

i think they are setting up "long covid" clinics all over australia to treat people who have ?? long covid.

the symptoms seem to be tiredness, lack of energy , difficulty focusing and a desire to stay in your pyjamas all day. it could be legitimate. it could be that depressed people or lazy people will now focus on blaming covid for their symptoms which are due to other things that are totally subjective.

if you work at a job you hate and you get covid and the thought of going back (at a deep subconscious level) upsets your mental health, i can guarantee your brain will find the virus a useful culprit.

interestingly i have always thought "you cant really fight mother nature" and said people should concentrate on the big 3

good nutrition
good exercise
good nights sleep.

and go and look for yourself , the government website offers these 3 as your best hope .

science cant solve everything

in the end, your health is a matter of personal responsibility .
not in all things and western medicine is very useful if you need a titanium rod in a broken leg.

but we spend nearly all our money and resources fixing self inflicted injuries.

and that is a non sustainable long term strategy

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Re: SA woman facing amputation after COVID Infection
Reply #14 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 6:22am

Uaquascoot wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 5:19am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 2:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 8:49am:

Check it out. Blood Clot In Her Heart - Fully Juiced !!

https://t.me/covidbc/7049

And yet again, Mr Nail makes a total fool of himself by stupidly
failing to check the truth of the silly oversized memes he posts.

https://i.postimg.cc/y8Q17rZF/photo-2022-12-09-09-48-50-1.jpg

He's so keen to "prove" his absurd claims about COVID vaccinations
that he falls over his own feet in his haste to post what he thinks
supports them. Which is, repeatedly, so laughably wrong.

As it turns out—if Mr Nail would've discovered if he'd done 90 seconds
research—Madison Parker has in reality suffered from lupus since childhood,
which has resulted in a clotting disorder, and developed certainly years
before COVID appeared.

The symptoms of lupus are similar to those of influenza (and COVID),
namely fatigue, fever, joint pain, shortness of breath, headaches etc.

If you can be bothered, and check all the other silly anti-vaxxer memes
Mr Nail posts with monotonous regularity, you'll find them too to be a
total misrepresentation of the facts. But of course for anti-vaxxers,
actual facts mean nothing—they just hate them getting in the way of
their beliefs. Sad really.

the current truth geoff is probably that we dont know and we need to do more studies.

sir nail (whilst i think he should stop posting anecdotal evidence) could say that the pro-vax people are guilty of all the sins of the anti vax people.

how to sort this out?

its a mess.

we cant deny that it IS possible the vax may sensitize the immune response and then the virus itself may cause a "different " experience .

it seems pretty clear that the risk of hospitalisation is less but what about other things?

we simply dont know.

i think they are setting up "long covid" clinics all over australia to treat people who have ?? long covid.

the symptoms seem to be tiredness, lack of energy , difficulty focusing and a desire to stay in your pyjamas all day. it could be legitimate. it could be that depressed people or lazy people will now focus on blaming covid for their symptoms which are due to other things that are totally subjective.

if you work at a job you hate and you get covid and the thought of going back (at a deep subconscious level) upsets your mental health, i can guarantee your brain will find the virus a useful culprit.

interestingly i have always thought "you cant really fight mother nature" and said people should concentrate on the big 3

good nutrition
good exercise
good nights sleep.

and go and look for yourself , the government website offers these 3 as your best hope .

science cant solve everything

in the end, your health is a matter of personal responsibility .
not in all things and western medicine is very useful if you need a titanium rod in a broken leg.

but we spend nearly all our money and resources fixing self inflicted injuries.

and that is a non sustainable long term strategy

I think this is sensible.

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