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Re: China: little pinks see merit in 50 million dead
Reply #105 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 10:29am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 29th, 2025 at 8:05pm:
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The CCP changed leaders and policies from Mao to Deng.


But did it change it's culture? The question you keep avoiding.


You haven't defined culture.

As a matter of fact, I despise your delusional  "individiual freedom" culture which disregards the wellbeing of the collective, aka 'common prosperity' or the 'general  welfare'. 

And while Trump is battling the effects of Neoclassical-informed WTO freetrade rules, and the c-o-l crisis in the US, China has  created the world's largest middle class. 

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Can you explain for us how the CCP kept a record of covid deaths at the same time as denying there was even an outbreak?


The CCP introduced the world's first complete lockdown beginning in Wuhan, in an effort to prevent the spread of the the disease.

And with idiot "freedom" ideologues  running loose around the world, the CCP has to defend its one-party government against "freedom" propaganda, while the democracies become ungovernable.   
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Reply #106 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 10:39am
 
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You haven't defined culture.


The way people interact with each other.

For example, during the Great Chinese Famine, the CCP lied to the people about what was going on. As a result, about 50 million people starved to death. Despite this, they managed to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor starving Americans.

During the covid outbreak, the CCP lied to people about what was going on, in particular in the leadup to Chinese new year, when many people travel. They jailed journalists. As a result, millions of people died. We don't know how many exactly, because the CCP did a better job of telling lies. But they did manage to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor sick Americans, when they were not welding doors shut on apartment buildings.

Would you like to have another go at giving an honest answer? Has the CCP changed it's culture?

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The CCP introduced the world's first complete lockdown beginning in Wuhan, in an effort to prevent the spead of the the disease.


It's called closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. But you did not answer the question.

Can you explain for us how the CCP kept a record of covid deaths at the same time as denying there was even an outbreak?
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Reply #107 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 3:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 10:39am:
TGD You haven't defined culture.

The way people interact with each other.


Thanks.

So you know what I think about the manner in which delusional "individual freedom" ideolgues interact with another: look around you.

Observe the entrenched poverty and c-o-l pressures for average wage earners, amidst soaring inequality.

eg, the greedy "free"  rent seekers who refuse to countenance changes to the tax system to enable home ownership by average wage earners.

Deplorable.     


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Can you explain for us how the CCP kept a record of covid deaths at the same time as denying there was even an outbreak?


Th\e denial was short lived, ie, until there was no doubt about the highly contagious nature of the disease and Wuhan was subject to the severest lockdowns in the world, because China didn't have the resources to protect the millions of  people living in small villges in the regions.
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Reply #108 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 3:48pm
 
Do you think the CCP has changed it's culture? You keep demanding I explain the question, but you never answer it.

For example, during the Great Chinese Famine, the CCP lied to the people about what was going on. As a result, about 50 million people starved to death. Despite this, they managed to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor starving Americans.

During the covid outbreak, the CCP lied to people about what was going on, in particular in the leadup to Chinese new year, when many people travel. They jailed journalists. As a result, millions of people died. We don't know how many exactly, because the CCP did a better job of telling lies. But they did manage to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor sick Americans, when they were not welding doors shut on apartment buildings.

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Th\e denial was short lived


How short? That is, how long did the CCP lie to the Chinese people for about the deadly disease that was spreading through the population and killing people?

Can you explain for us how the CCP kept a record of covid deaths at the same time as denying there was even an outbreak?
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Reply #109 - Yesterday at 3:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 3:48pm:
Do you think the CCP has changed it's culture? You keep demanding I explain the question, but you never answer it.


You are referring to the 'culture' of a one-party government,  in this case the CCP. 

Answering your question is not straight forward.

eg, the present leader - Xi Jinping - is focused on eradicating corruption in the Party, to enable the success of the CCP's mission: ie "the rejuvination of the Chinese Nation". 

What does that say about the 'culture' of the CCP?   

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For example, during the Great Chinese Famine, the CCP lied to the people about what was going on.


At a time when most Chinese people were subject to absolute poverty; it's reasonable to assume the "culture" of the party has changed since then.


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As a result, about 50 million people starved to death. Despite this, they managed to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor starving Americans.


Well, the US was suffering under a decade of the Great Depression; and most  Chinese were too poor at the time  to be aware of what was happening in the rest of the country, and had to rely on what the Party told them. 

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During the covid outbreak, the CCP lied to people about what was going on, in particular in the leadup to Chinese new year, when many people travel.


Only for a month, until the severity of the illness could no longer be hidden by a Party which wants to avoid social instability ...ah, there's a part of the CCP's 'culture' you don't like: you prefer individual "freedom" to social stability.

Meanwhile in the West some economists openly urged governments not to "wreck the economy" by locking down cities to save lives. Perhaps that concern also briefly exercised the CCP, hence the initial denial of covid's severity, until the likelihood of mass deaths in China became obvious. 

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They jailed journalists. As a result, millions of people died. We don't know how many exactly, because the CCP did a better job of telling lies. But they did manage to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor sick Americans, when they were not welding doors shut on apartment buildings.


"Better lies" than Western governments,  some of whom were happy to sacrifice lives by carrying on with "business as usual".  Plenty of 'lying' to go around, in a pandemic - as in war.... 


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TGDThe denial was short lived

How short? That is, how long did the CCP lie to the Chinese people for about the deadly disease that was spreading through the population and killing people?


About a month, until Wuhan became the first city in the world to be locked-down, for every Chinense and the whole world to see.

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Can you explain for us how the CCP kept a record of covid deaths at the same time as denying there was even an outbreak?


Explained above: the denial was short-lived, and as for the real death-toll numbers around the world, we know they were high everywhere. China no doubt saved many lives by implementing the severest lockdowns. 

Did China lie about the number of deaths  in China?

Maybe - social stability in pursuit of common prosperity is more important than individual freedom in China (as noted above).

A pandemic - like war - has the potential to unleash powerful social instability.

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Meanwhile in the US:

(Daily Mail)

Trump urged to declare national emergency to take power over midterm elections

Ah....the joys of adversarial-party electoral politics: it will be fascinating to behold, not least because the implications for the world are profound.


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Reply #110 - Yesterday at 4:11pm
 
Besides telling its citizens not to visit Nihon (Japan ) and those that are there to leave these past few months.
China has just issued over a thousand Fishing Vessels upon the limit of Nihonese waters.

Something is up❓
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Re: China: little pinks see merit in 50 million dead
Reply #111 - Yesterday at 4:37pm
 
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 4:11pm:
Besides telling its citizens not to visit Nihon (Japan ) and those that are there to leave these past few months.
China has just issuied over a thousand Fishing Vessels upon the limit of Nihonese waters.

Something is up❓


Difficult to answer:  please explain "just issued over a thousand Fishing Vessels upon the limit of Nihonese waters" .

A link would be helpful.

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Reply #112 - Today at 11:19am
 
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You are referring to the 'culture' of a one-party government,  in this case the CCP.

Answering your question is not straight forward.


Yes. It asks you to address reailty. Not mindlessly parrot CCP propaganda. So I would expect you to struyggle with it. Still, it is best you address it head on rather than running away.

Do you think the CCP has changed it's culture? You keep demanding I explain the question, but you never answer it.

For example, during the Great Chinese Famine, the CCP lied to the people about what was going on. As a result, about 50 million people starved to death. Despite this, they managed to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor starving Americans.

During the covid outbreak, the CCP lied to people about what was going on, in particular in the leadup to Chinese new year, when many people travel. They jailed journalists. As a result, millions of people died. We don't know how many exactly, because the CCP did a better job of telling lies. But they did manage to convince the people to feel sorry for the poor sick Americans, when they were not welding doors shut on apartment buildings.

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Well, the US was suffering under a decade of the Great Depression


Your mindless propaganda is getting a little too detached from reality. The Great Depression started in 1929. The Great Chinese Famine came nearly 30 years later. Do you think it took 30 years for the news to reach Mao?
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