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Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:50am
 
Aboriginal cannibals demonstrated a number of distinctive culinary preferences. It appears that they greatly favoured the taste of Chinese people, whom they found and killed in remote areas of settlement, over the apparently saltier taste of Europeans:

“Urquhart says his boys always told him the blacks did not like the taste of whites much—they were too salt [sic]—but that they relished Chinamen, hundreds of whom were killed while packing provisions across the Peninsula to the Palmer River goldfields [in Queensland] in the days following Mulligan’s discovery of the field. This fact was put down to the salt-beef diet of the early whites, while the Chinese lived more on rice. Urquhart was called out to hunt up the murderers of a Chinaman living in a lonely hut by the roadside … Following up the blacks, Urquhart came upon them while engaged in the preparation of a meal. He and his troopers dashed into the camp and scattered the natives in all directions. On the fire was a looted pot, and simmering inside it was the Chinaman’s foot and some sweet potatoes.”  –-Hudson Fysh, Taming the North (1933), referring to the period after gold was discovered in 1873.
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Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:51am
 
“The blacks west of Cooktown showed me several of the clay white-ant nest camp ovens, where they roasted the Chinese in the old Palmer digging days. On one occasion, I was present where two Chinese were roasted, and cut up, smelling and looking exactly like roast pork, even the yellow skin crinkled like that of pork, the resemblance being astonishing. One man they refused to eat, as he had been an opium eater, and his flesh had the odour of opium.” –“Memories of the Late Archibald Meston”, courtesy of E.A. Meston, in Cummins and Campbell’s Monthly Magazine, December 1936.
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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:59am
 
the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.


Carl-Georg Christoph Freiherr von Brandenstein (10 October 1909 – 8 January 2005) was a German linguist who took up the study of Australian Aboriginal languages.

Australian work on Aboriginal languages
Brandenstein's field work lasted some three decades, beginning in the 1960s. He initially concentrated on the languages of Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara area of Western Australia, and then gathered recordings and made analyses of southern tribal languages such as Ngadjumaya and Noongar.: 321–335  His major contribution consisted in challenging the use of the term and concept of totem adopted throughout anthropology from an original Ojibwa word, and widely used in kinship analysis. For Brandenstein, an etymological approach indicated that the majority of 'totemic' terms could be traced back to the vocabulary for human and animal bodies, and temperamental qualities. In short, identity was not reducible to belonging to one or another segmentary division of a tribe, but involved far more concrete traits. Throughout the Australian totemic system he believed he could isolate a logic, which in its fullest form, evinced 8 combinations of three paired terms of primary properties. Two totems in a binary tribal moiety could be shown to each involve a set of up to 20 features that could be distributed as traits over all human and non-human members of each of the two groups.
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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:21pm
 
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No evidence of Cannibalism by modern day Indigenous Australians
, Matty.  You seem unable to understand English.  Is it your second language?  Does it need to be spelt out in single syllables for you?  Are you really this foolish?  Are you intellectually disabled?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:59pm
 
Prominent Maori and Melanesians freely acknowledge cannibalism among their ancestors. It takes some growing up to do that. Australian natives will get around to it eventually. Doesn't really matter today anyway. Unless you want to use that history for some weird accusation or justification of denigration.
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Reply #5 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 1:52pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:59pm:
Prominent Maori and Melanesians freely acknowledge cannibalism among their ancestors. It takes some growing up to do that. Australian natives will get around to it eventually. Doesn't really matter today anyway. Unless you want to use that history for some weird accusation or justification of denigration.


Which is why, Matty insists on it, despite there being no evidence of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 2:29pm
 
Actually.
It's a true fact that the Solomon Islanders practiced cannibalism and of 200 Chinese boat people who landed on one of the islands, only two were left alive. When asked why these two boys weren't eaten - the Islanders responded that they were too scrawny to eat.

Cannibalism has been a part of nearly every culture through the ages. Be it a Uruguayan Rugby Union team in the Andes trying to stay alive after their plane crashed, to the crew of the Whaling ship the Essex from Nantucket eating each other in the life-boats during a record 93 days adrift, to South American tribes keeping their tribe from over-populating when food was scarce (droughts, etc).
I have no doubt that even early Europeans and Britons cannibalised when food was scarce.
White Americans have done it, Asians have done it, etc, etc.
Maybe Aborigines have done it though there isn't any real cement proof recorded beyond the occassional racist propaganda by White Colonialists with the right to own a gun and genocide less able people to fight back fairly.
A lot of this racist propaganda has been proven to be lies as in a case like the couple who were stranded in Queensland's north and cared for by the local Aborigines only to be rescued and later making the statements that they were mistreated harshly by the 'inferiors'. Considering they were alive and in good health also proved they were racist liars.

There was the Maori v Koori Rugby League test where after the Haka, the Aborigines did their effort (with spears too) and one aborigine was gesturing that he was going to eat the Maori player standing just a few metres away from the approaching Koori haka.

Would I cannibalise>? If survival merited it - sure.

A white Tasmanian Convict escaped twice. Luring 6 other Convicts to escape with him - they became his source of food on their run to West Tasmania. He would linger behind and knock the stragglers off one by one after he deserted them and followed.

Boris reports of Cannibalism in the far north by Aborigines.
If that is a fact, does he know 'why' they need to do such and with concrete evidence to prove it?

The moment 'Whites' took over this most 'virulent' Region of the world, they took on the responsibility of the locals - but for both British and more so American influences, they were treated abominably - especially in the north and Tasmania (War of the Worlds by HG Wells).

Little wonder that despite all the Biden fruitcake supporters reporting UFO's of late. I very much doubt Humanity deserves and has earned the right to find life and intelligent life out there. We are simply way too violent and 'primitive' in our way we exist with just ourselves. We may not find intelligent life for 40,000 years and come to experience what the Aborigines did on this little blue dot.

For a superior intelligent people, for arguement's sake, discovering a more primitive people - in nearly every point in history. Those that are like cultural children are basically abused and that's how the 'superior' whites treated the more 'primitive' people's here except for the early harmonious existence of the Sydney penal settlement being a rare thing in history.

Hawaii accepted the Union Jack on their flag and a lot of things British, because as the main chief explained - it was a lot better than having his culture 'cannibalised' by the British via force against their opposition.

The Aborigines here are a 'reflection' of ourselves in many ways. I've had to deal with the worst of them no different to any other peoples here and I've had the good fortune to deal with the best of them as well.

With the rules of Colonisation - the previous inhabitants always split into two (good and evil 'duality' as in Zarathustrianism - the first monotheism) against the incoming Singular culture, as was the case in North America with the Civil War over the newer 'Black' peoples.
You will find that there is a faction of Aborigines who will try to do good, as there will be the bitter bad that take a more hostile and bitter approach. Good cop, Bad cop - so to speak. As too will Australian society break into two for the incoming 'Yellow' man. Colonisations and this process happens everywhere like the Spanish culture dying an indigenous 'Conquistador' death in South America for being the Portal to Europe.

Me thinks Boris is a Vegan to be honest.  Grin
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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 9:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:21pm:
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No evidence of Cannibalism by modern day Indigenous Australians
, Matty.  You seem unable to understand English.  Is it your second language?  Does it need to be spelt out in single syllables for you?  Are you really this foolish?  Are you intellectually disabled?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brandenstein's field work lasted some three decades, beginning in the 1960s. He initially concentrated on the languages of Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara area of Western Australia, and then gathered recordings and made analyses of southern tribal languages such as Ngadjumaya and Noongar.

Documented Cannibalism from the 60s to the 90s

the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.

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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:01pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 9:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:21pm:
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No evidence of Cannibalism by modern day Indigenous Australians
, Matty.  You seem unable to understand English.  Is it your second language?  Does it need to be spelt out in single syllables for you?  Are you really this foolish?  Are you intellectually disabled?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brandenstein's field work lasted some three decades, beginning in the 1960s. He initially concentrated on the languages of Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara area of Western Australia, and then gathered recordings and made analyses of southern tribal languages such as Ngadjumaya and Noongar.

Documented Cannibalism from the 60s to the 90s

the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.



Where is the evidence, Matty?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:13pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 9:47pm:
...Documented Cannibalism from the 60s to the 90s

the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.


Hearsay is not evidence.


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Reply #10 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:22pm
 
Eye witness accounts is evidence from a man who spoke 4 Aboriginal Languages and worked with them for 30 years - from 1960 to 1990.

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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:24pm
 
Daisy Bates was also an eye witness - but she must be wrong right?

From Ooldea, Bates wrote:

“Just as I was buttoning the men into their first trousers, a thunder came from the Plain. All rose in terror to watch, wild-eyed, the monster of Nullarbor, the ganba (snake) coming to devour them [i.e. the train]. I needed all my tact and wisdom to prevent their flight. Two of the women were heavily pregnant. One of these, in spite of the abundant food bestowed on her, later gave birth to a girl baby in a hidden spot in the bush, and killed and ate the little creature. The other woman reared her child for a year or so, and then, giving birth to a half-caste at some siding, took both along the line and disposed of them either by neglect or design. One of the men … contracted venereal disease, and returned to Ooldea only to die…We buried him near my tent, with Inyiga, a woman who, after killing her diseased half-cast child, succumbed to pneumonia.”

She went to great lengths to collect evidence of cannibal episodes. One set of bones she sent to Adelaide for analysis proved to be mere cat bones, but others were human. To be blunt, there are plenty of accounts by respected anthropologists about Aboriginal cannibalism, e.g. Elkin, Roth, and the two Berndts (under whom I studied in 1961). Even Manning Clark attested to the practice.[iv] A colleague of mine, the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.

As for infanticide, this has been estimated at up to 30% of babies before white contact, and close to 20% of babies even in 1966-67 in Pitjantjatjara country, the source country of many of the Aborigines on ‘the line’.[v]
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Reply #12 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:26pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:22pm:
Eye witness accounts is evidence from a man who spoke 4 Aboriginal Languages and worked with them for 30 years - from 1960 to 1990.

His knowledge of Aboriginal languages was unimpressive... 

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One of his most startling ideas was his claim that he had isolated and identified
some sixty Portuguese language loanwords in several indigenous languages of
Australia's far north.

Australian linguists have generally dismissed these conclusions, except perhaps
for the word tartaruga. Nick Thieberger, a Melbourne University linguist, argues
that Brandenstein's approach was still strongly influenced by an outdated
nineteenth-century linguistic thinking
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Reply #13 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:29pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:26pm:
His knowledge of Aboriginal languages was unimpressive... 




And who are you say such a thing?

He says he found loanwords from Portuguese and he may be right - and in any case who are you to judge his linguistic acumen?

https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/253832/1/PL-C13.617.pd...
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Reply #14 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:30pm
 
Do you have a PhD in Linguistics?
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