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Reply #105 - Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 9:47pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 8:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 8:27pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 8:19pm:

you have to develop trumps "powers of persuasion" before you can get away with it.

You mean like Trump's 'hyperbolic truth'?

trump doesnt only exagerate,
he floods the field with porkies.
he tells so many that people dont really listen to them as factual statements, tey listen to them as a 'vibe" or an 'energy"

what trump realises and many other stuffy smug intellectuals do not realise is that most people are beaten down and assume authority figures are lying to them

so what you cant fake, you feature.

trump increases his authenticity by telling porkies in an almost comical way

and it makes the smug intellectual types do two things

1. they react to trump.
and when you are reacttive, you are always in a weaker frame

2. they get angry upset and confused that people dont pick up on it and they come off looking like pedants and people who cant take a joke.

its a brilliant strategy.

its like this charismatic bs artist is at a party and has the audience mesmerised with his witty tall tales and some chode gets up all angry and frustrated and whiney and screechey and tries to silence him. they come off as losers. trump comes off as funny.

though i think he is losing his touch as he ages and should hand the batton to Ronny

Ditching "the frame", are you?

Which bit turned you off? Did you get tired of winning?

Bobby's a little hurt.

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Reply #106 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:00am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 10:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 7:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 12:10pm:

• Please read the linked ARTICLE •

• That 22 yr old was mentally ill. He threatened to kill his own mother months earlier.

• Biden is correct IMO...it's guns and mental health that's causing so much needless death in the US.

• Groggy Karnal - stop carrying on like a dhead. Your own link tells the truth of how troubled this lone killer was.

So...as the link asks...why was this (claimed by you) mentally ill arsehole not red flagged on having weapons after that incident with his mother?

Did Grandpa intervene?

FMD Aussie ... did you bother to think before posting that dribble?

1. WHY would his grandpa intervene in such a way as to place his own daughter's life at risk?

2. Do sane people routinely threaten to kill their mother in your part of the world?

Up for Aussie Roll Eyes

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6033 Gender:	Re: Deadly Shooting at Colorado LGBTQ Nightclub Reply #107 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 12:06pm I see the response from the usual suspects to the revelation of the facts about this killer is denial and derailing the topic. Only to be expected of course.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61003 Here Gender:	Re: Deadly Shooting at Colorado LGBTQ Nightclub Reply #108 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 2:37pm Belgarion wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 12:06pm: I see the response from the usual suspects to the revelation of the facts about this killer is denial and derailing the topic. Only to be expected of course. You saying that he didn't shoot a lot of people after all ?
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Deadly Shooting at Colorado LGBTQ Nightclub Reply #109 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 3:42pm Belgarion wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 12:06pm: I see the response from the usual suspects to the revelation of the facts about this killer is denial and derailing the topic. Only to be expected of course. The usual suspects in question are also very unusual individuals.
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Reply #110 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 3:52pm

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, ...

He IS a Trump lovin' MAGA redneck.

That fact has been clearly established.

What hope did he have, being brought up by radical Republican Mormons?

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Reply #111 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 4:25pm

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

Bwahahahahaha...

A left wing terrorist...
I knew it.
They're farrking crazy.

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Reply #112 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 5:39pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 4:25pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

A left wing terrorist...

No.

He's a Trump-lovin' MAGA redneck.

Brought up by radical Republican Mormons?

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Reply #113 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 5:50pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 4:25pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

Bwahahahahaha...

A left wing terrorist...
I knew it.
They're farrking crazy.

Cunning, no?

I blame the lawyers. This poor Trump-supporter has to pretend to be a tranny in her attempt to evade the mandatory death sentence for a terrorist hate crime.

We should all feel for the poor dear, Captain. She's going to be fought over for the rest of her life by butch cowboy types. The cats will be scratching her eyes out for being fucked by their boyfriends, and for what?

So the poor dear could take down a gay nightclub in the vain attempt to gain her MAGA family's attention.

So sad. Still, at least she can say she gave the 45th prez a bit of a laugh.

You?

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Reply #114 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 7:39pm

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

Do you think this means anything relevant ?

1. Is it really true or just meant to ease the charges ? It puts doubt of the charges related to hate crime.

2. 12 months ago during their hostage event they were using the pronoun he in reference to themselves.

3. They were part of an extreme right abusive religious Mormon family.

There is still more to come out on this topic needed to reach a firm position and yes his / their current claimed status may be convenient more than factual.

Remember this guys / unidentified' s grandfather is an extreme Trump - election denying once recently elected politician and that he was brought up by his grandparents because his parents were not stable enough and too violent to maintain custody.

I do not see that this guys claim to be a Mx has a lot of relevance even if true.

Being Mx could be a driver for this type of hate crime, their religious identity and teaching would be in extreme conflict with this identity. they could easily be disgusted by their self and others like them. It does not really mitigate or change anything or any likely external drivers. Their self hate could easily be reinforced by Tucker and co and they are very likely Trump supporters as well.

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Reply #115 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

Do you think this means anything relevant ?

1. Is it really true or just meant to ease the charges ? It puts doubt of the charges related to hate crime.

2. 12 months ago during their hostage event they were using the pronoun he in reference to themselves.

3. They were part of an extreme right abusive religious Mormon family.

There is still more to come out on this topic needed to reach a firm position and yes his / their current claimed status may be convenient more than factual.

Remember this guys / unidentified' s grandfather is an extreme Trump - election denying once recently elected politician and that he was brought up by his grandparents because his parents were not stable enough and too violent to maintain custody.

I do not see that this guys claim to be a Mx has a lot of relevance even if true.

Being Mx could be a driver for this type of hate crime, their religious identity and teaching would be in extreme conflict with this identity. they could easily be disgusted by their self and others like them. It does not really mitigate or change anything or any likely external drivers. Their self hate could easily be reinforced by Tucker and co and they are very likely Trump supporters as well.

You're saying that Trump turned him gay as well as making him a killer?

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Reply #116 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 12:06pm:

I see the response from the usual suspects to the revelation of the facts about this killer is denial and derailing the topic. Only to be expected of course. Roll Eyes

You saying that he didn't shoot a lot of people after all ?

What part of the word 'killer' in my post are you having trouble with? Roll Eyes

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Reply #117 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:12pm

Belgarion wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

Do you think this means anything relevant ?

1. Is it really true or just meant to ease the charges ? It puts doubt of the charges related to hate crime.

2. 12 months ago during their hostage event they were using the pronoun he in reference to themselves.

3. They were part of an extreme right abusive religious Mormon family.

There is still more to come out on this topic needed to reach a firm position and yes his / their current claimed status may be convenient more than factual.

Remember this guys / unidentified' s grandfather is an extreme Trump - election denying once recently elected politician and that he was brought up by his grandparents because his parents were not stable enough and too violent to maintain custody.

I do not see that this guys claim to be a Mx has a lot of relevance even if true.

Being Mx could be a driver for this type of hate crime, their religious identity and teaching would be in extreme conflict with this identity. they could easily be disgusted by their self and others like them. It does not really mitigate or change anything or any likely external drivers. Their self hate could easily be reinforced by Tucker and co and they are very likely Trump supporters as well.

You're saying that Trump turned him gay as well as making him a killer?

Trump certainly made him a killer.

Along with his father and grandfather.

Nobody can make someone gay though.

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Reply #118 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:15pm

Belgarion wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

Do you think this means anything relevant ?

1. Is it really true or just meant to ease the charges ? It puts doubt of the charges related to hate crime.

2. 12 months ago during their hostage event they were using the pronoun he in reference to themselves.

3. They were part of an extreme right abusive religious Mormon family.

There is still more to come out on this topic needed to reach a firm position and yes his / their current claimed status may be convenient more than factual.

Remember this guys / unidentified' s grandfather is an extreme Trump - election denying once recently elected politician and that he was brought up by his grandparents because his parents were not stable enough and too violent to maintain custody.

I do not see that this guys claim to be a Mx has a lot of relevance even if true.

Being Mx could be a driver for this type of hate crime, their religious identity and teaching would be in extreme conflict with this identity. they could easily be disgusted by their self and others like them. It does not really mitigate or change anything or any likely external drivers. Their self hate could easily be reinforced by Tucker and co and they are very likely Trump supporters as well.

You're saying that Trump turned him gay as well as making him a killer?

NO

Cannot see where Trump gets a mention?

Not sure that anyone has claimed that he is gay at all.

Funny thing is that his father was extremely happy to find out that he isn't gay, he didn't seem to mind that much about killing 5 people though. Not sure how his father concluded that he isn't gay either.

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Reply #119 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:16pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 4:50pm:

And here we have it folks: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/alleged-colorado-gay-club-shooter-is... Instead of being a Tump lovin' MAGA redneck, the gay bar shooter is, in fact, a member of the alphabet brigade him/her/itself. The usual suspects are so quick to apportion blame, and as usual they get it wrong. Roll Eyes

Do you think this means anything relevant ?

1. Is it really true or just meant to ease the charges ? It puts doubt of the charges related to hate crime.

2. 12 months ago during their hostage event they were using the pronoun he in reference to themselves.

3. They were part of an extreme right abusive religious Mormon family.

There is still more to come out on this topic needed to reach a firm position and yes his / their current claimed status may be convenient more than factual.

Remember this guys / unidentified' s grandfather is an extreme Trump - election denying once recently elected politician and that he was brought up by his grandparents because his parents were not stable enough and too violent to maintain custody.

I do not see that this guys claim to be a Mx has a lot of relevance even if true.

Being Mx could be a driver for this type of hate crime, their religious identity and teaching would be in extreme conflict with this identity. they could easily be disgusted by their self and others like them. It does not really mitigate or change anything or any likely external drivers. Their self hate could easily be reinforced by Tucker and co and they are very likely Trump supporters as well.

You're saying that Trump turned him gay as well as making him a killer?

Cannot see where Trump gets a mention?

Not sure that anyone has claimed that he is gay at all.

Funny thing is that his father was extremely happy to find out that he isn't gay, he didn't seem to mind that much about killing 5 people though. Not sure how his father concluded that he isn't gay either.

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