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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #60 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:37pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Not if he was an Australian citizen and fighting for ISIS, he'd be looked upon favorably by the Left and allowed to come back home to Oz whether we liked it or not

I fail to see where

Trump

would be looked upon "favorably" by ANYONE, in ANY situation - except maybe my brother, the

"blue sheep"

of the family

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Reply #61 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:39pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Not if he was an Australian citizen and fighting for ISIS, he'd be looked upon favorably by the Left and allowed to come back home to Oz whether we liked it or not

We have had mercenaries fight all over the world and none or few considered to be Traitors. They simply are not making war on Australia or involved in actions which are traitorous to Australia like selling secrets etc.

In reality people in this situation are just now be repatriated with penalties ten plus years later.

We had David Hicks held in Guantanamo Bay for a decade with no charges. He never had any intention of fighting against Australia.

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Reply #62 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:37pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 8:05am:

A question for all of the constitution botherers ... what did the founding fathers have in mind for treason and sedition?

Treason in the US is a very strange item in the constitution.

It is defined in the constitution as someone who makes war against the USA or aides / abets someone who has. The law can only apply in a situation where war has been officially declared.

The British law and dictionary meaning of the term is much broader and very different.

An act that would make you a traitor to almost anywhere in the world is likely ok in the US.

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Sedition is conspiring to stage or incite rebellion, oppose gov authority by force, Hindering a law from being carried out, taking, seizing or possessing gov property by force.

(Bad Luck Donald in the category of all of the above).

Insurrection also relates to treason and sedition.

True, Dnarever, true. You'd think a candidate who conspired with Russia Russia Russia, witheld congressional military aid to blackmail their Ukrainian enemies and then sought to overturn an erection by threatening to lynch the VP would be locked away for good, but the Septics do love their presidents so, no?

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Reply #63 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:44pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 8:05am:

A question for all of the constitution botherers ... what did the founding fathers have in mind for treason and sedition?

Treason in the US is a very strange item in the constitution.

It is defined in the constitution as someone who makes war against the USA or aides / abets someone who has. The law can only apply in a situation where war has been officially declared.

The British law and dictionary meaning of the term is much broader and very different.

An act that would make you a traitor to almost anywhere in the world is likely ok in the US.

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Sedition is conspiring to stage or incite rebellion, oppose gov authority by force, Hindering a law from being carried out, taking, seizing or possessing gov property by force.

(Bad Luck Donald in the category of all of the above).

Insurrection also relates to treason and sedition.

True, Dnarever, true. You'd think a candidate who conspired with Russia Russia Russia, witheld congressional military aid to blackmail their Ukrainian enemies and then sought to overturn an erection by threatening to lynch the VP would be locked away for good, but the Septics do love their presidents so, no?

Yes but they also love their firsts.

First presidential criminal

First president impeached twice.

First President to raise an insurrection.

First President to request election assistance from Russia.

*First X President to spend the rest of his life in prison.

*First X President to die in prison.

*First X President convicted while running for office.

So many firsts achieved in one lifetime.

* speculated but well earned achievements.

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Reply #64 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:44pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

mothra wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 8:05am:

A question for all of the constitution botherers ... what did the founding fathers have in mind for treason and sedition?

Treason in the US is a very strange item in the constitution.

It is defined in the constitution as someone who makes war against the USA or aides / abets someone who has. The law can only apply in a situation where war has been officially declared.

The British law and dictionary meaning of the term is much broader and very different.

An act that would make you a traitor to almost anywhere in the world is likely ok in the US.

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Sedition is conspiring to stage or incite rebellion, oppose gov authority by force, Hindering a law from being carried out, taking, seizing or possessing gov property by force.

(Bad Luck Donald in the category of all of the above).

Insurrection also relates to treason and sedition.

True, Dnarever, true. You'd think a candidate who conspired with Russia Russia Russia, witheld congressional military aid to blackmail their Ukrainian enemies and then sought to overturn an erection by threatening to lynch the VP would be locked away for good, but the Septics do love their presidents so, no?

Yes but they also love their firsts.

First presidential criminal

First president impeached twice.

First President to raise an insurrection.

First President to request election assistance from Russia.

*First X President to spend the rest of his life in prison.

*First X President to die in prison.

*First X President convicted while running for office.

So many firsts achieved in one lifetime.

* speculated but well earned achievements.

You're setting your hopes pretty hight there, Dnarever. You're expecting us to believe Anerica is a country where the rich and powerful can be held to account, just like everybody else.

Alas, America is the country that pardoned Nixon. Yes, Dear Leader will most certainly be found guilty if he's ever prosecuted, but good luck sending a convicted ex-prez to Terra Haute Correctional Centre.

It simply can't be done, dear.

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Reply #65 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Not if he was an Australian citizen and fighting for ISIS, he'd be looked upon favorably by the Left and allowed to come back home to Oz whether we liked it or not

We have had mercenaries fight all over the world and none or few considered to be Traitors. They simply are not making war on Australia or involved in actions which are traitorous to Australia like selling secrets etc.

In reality people in this situation are just now be repatriated with penalties ten plus years later.

We had David Hicks held in Guantanamo Bay for a decade with no charges. He never had any intention of fighting against Australia.

The Left are tolerant of traitors, to the point where if they are muslims, they are welcomed back with open arms and no further correspondence will be entered into

The Left are accessories to Islamic terrorism, the enemy of Australia

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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #66 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 9:15am:

An example would be that Donald Trumps actions almost anywhere else would be traitorous but not in the USA.

Not if he was an Australian citizen and fighting for ISIS, he'd be looked upon favorably by the Left and allowed to come back home to Oz whether we liked it or not

We have had mercenaries fight all over the world and none or few considered to be Traitors. They simply are not making war on Australia or involved in actions which are traitorous to Australia like selling secrets etc.

In reality people in this situation are just now be repatriated with penalties ten plus years later.

We had David Hicks held in Guantanamo Bay for a decade with no charges. He never had any intention of fighting against Australia.

The Left are tolerant of traitors, to the point where if they are muslims, they are welcomed back with open arms and no further correspondence will be entered into

The Left are accessories to Islamic terrorism, the enemy of Australia

Oh? I think you'll find that's the "right", dear. ScoMo took the legal advice that he can't chuck out Australian citizens, Muslims or otherwise, on the chin.

You seem to be taking the news rather hard.

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Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment
Reply #67 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:35pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

We had David Hicks held in Guantanamo Bay for a decade with no charges.

He never had any intention of fighting against Australia.

David Hicks fought WITH the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in its war for independence with the forces of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (i.e. Serbia and Montenegro), which controlled Kosovo before the war.
Kosovo is now recognised, worldwide, as a free, independent state.

He fought WITH The Taliban against rebel forces attempting to overthrow The Taliban, which at that point was the internationally recognised legitimate government of Afghanistan.

The whole "David Hicks Affair" was - and still IS - a shameful stain on Australia's history, as well as that of the US

Whilst it happens frequently, there has never been an Australian born male fighting as a mercenary alongside the Israeli Defence Forces charged with - or accused of - ANYTHING

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment Reply #68 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:36pm Uvalde mother sues police, school district and gun maker over mass shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61861 Here Gender:	Re: Americans Support their Second Amendment Reply #69 - Nov 29^th, 2022 at 8:43pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:36pm: Uvalde mother sues police, school district and gun maker over mass shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead I hope that all the families do the same and that they win.
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Reply #70 - Nov 30^th, 2022 at 8:50am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

Australians have more rights not less

We don't have any rights at all .... even Bwian said we don't. It's the one thing I agree with him about

We only have privileges given to us by Government

"Benefits & Privileges" are what prisoners/captives/slaves are granted by their rulers/captors/masters.....

Free Citizens have Unalienable "RIGHTS".....Rights the government is forbidden to infringe upon, Rights that are affirmed in their Constitution....defended & protected by their government....the servants of The People!

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Reply #72 - Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 5:14pm

Women and CCW Transitioning:
From Occasional Carry to Everyday Carry

Women.....the fastest growing group of first-time firearms owners! Less than 15% are interested in hunting. Most cite self-defense as their main objective.....9mm handguns & the AR-15s are the favorites among these first-time firearm buyers. It's estimated that since 2019 women have purchased over 12 million firearms.....about 30% bought both 9mm handgun & an AR-15 rifle.

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Reply #73 - Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 7:26pm

Let's leave aside the 'second amendment' for a moment and look at these 'first time' firearms owners. People with no firearms experience whatsoever are getting hold of semi automatic rifles and pistols. While all firearms require training to use, a semi automatic rifle is an especially dangerous weapon in untrained hands, as is a pistol of any kind.
Are these people getting any form of training in these weapons, or are they just walking out the door with them with no idea how to use them safely? I suspect the latter.

What can possibly go wrong.

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